Brother of Ling Jihua Reveals China's nuclear launch code and top secrets to US

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taxiya

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It may be to China's own advantage to study and then innovate for itself how America created the "melting pot" concept, grafted it into its DNA, because it's easier to keep the civilization-state unified if the Hans embrace the Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongolians, and 52 other minorities China currently recognize as "Chinese."
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On the contrary, China is a 3000 years old "melting pot", and that melting is really biologically in DNA. Many DNA test across Chinese mainland shows that, for example, northern Han is genetically closer to their minority neighbor (than southern Han) such as Tibetan to the west, and Mongols to the north or Manchus around Beijing and Manchuria. While southern Han shows closer link with southern minorities. This is due to the thousand years of migration and intermarriage. Together with the genetic infusion, comes the culture infusion. During the last 3000 years, there have been many nomadic invasion and migration from the northern stepps and central asia, and enormous Han's southern expansion. There have been many northern nomadic people amounted hundreds of thousands who ruled northern China at some points of time but disappeared in the history. No, they are not killed off, they simply fused into the Han identity becoming Han (Chinese in western term).

The Han is not a "pure race", but an ongoing mixing group, it has been embracing other people since its birth, Xiongnu (related to Hun as west knows according to some), Turks, Mongols, Qidan (Khitan), Jurchen (Manchu), Xiabei etc. In a sense, Han is a snowball.

I do not agree with the idea of Han being a homogeneous people held by many westerner and Chinese. The homogeneous concept about people or ethnity is really a mordern western concept from the early 17th century during the nation state building. China was only exposed to it in the late Qing era (1890s up) which was then picked up by the early republicans (such as Sun Zhongshan/Sun Yat-sen) to rally people overthrowing the Qing empror (Manchu).

The negative impact of the introduction in China stopped the naturally "melting" process by emphasizing the ethnic difference of two people and locking each other in their distinct catagories. It turns many economical conflicts into an ethnical matter that only worsen the relationship. There is an ongoing louding voice among Chinese to abolish the ethnity identity in legal and adminstration framework, such as removing the entry of ethnity in the civil registration and personal id card.
 
manqiangrexue

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Blackstone said:
Based on what data?


Agreed. Ling is probably a traitor, just as Snowden is probably a traitor. I say probably in the legal sense, since they're innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. However, in the court of public opinion, both are traitors.


What a load of crap. If you're a US citizen, you're an American, regardless of your race or origin. Full stop. US already learned its shameful lessons from locking up Americans of Japanese ancestry in WW2, and it's extremely unlikely to repeat the mistake.

It may be to China's own advantage to study and then innovate for itself how America created the "melting pot" concept, grafted it into its DNA, because it's easier to keep the civilization-state unified if the Hans embrace the Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongolians, and 52 other minorities China currently recognize as "Chinese."
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What happens when a bunch of Chinese-Americans hang out together? People say, "Oh, yeah, that Chinese group is close-knit." People don't say, "That's an American group of friends just like us!" How about when Chinese-Americans ace tests? "Chinese people are smart!" How about when there are too many Asians-Americans who excel in a field? "Those friggin' Asians are takin' over the office!" It's not, "Look at how well our American brothers are doing! So happy for us!" How sad, to regard yourself as an integral part of the team, when the rest of the team sees you as an outsider, a competitor, someone to be watched closely... An orange is an orange, to everyone.

China recreate a melting pot? I'd prefer not; China is realistic. You are what you are. America is not great because of the melting pot; it is great because it is capitalistic, has the most wealth, and bribes the most talented people to come from their countries to work for greater pay in America. It feeds off greed. I literally know nobody, not 1 person, who came to America because s/he is tired of seeing his/her countrymen and would like to be a part of a polymerized society. They came for greater pay, advancement opportunities, higher living standards; some say they like it just fine here while others lament that they would rather be in their own country but their country has worse living standards, making it difficult. Just the other day, an Italian told me that even though he grew up in NY, to call him Italian, not American. Another friend I met in the gym who spoke perfect English as a naturalized citizen told me that he is a proud Romanian, not an American. They say they don't like American society, but honestly, I don't know why. To me, they blend in perfectly here LOL. In higher education, Indians like to hire Indians and Chinese prefer to work in a Chinese lab while white people juggle hiring foreign talent vs. becoming a minority in their fields. To me, the melting pot has many fissures created by innate racism and the natural preference for one's own countrymen, which is currently insurmountable despite massive PR campaigns. I see the melting pot as an undesirable side-effect (from the standpoint of American unity) from sourcing so much talent from foreigners rather than a self-standing selling point.
 
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AssassinsMace

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The law that allowed internment of the Japanese still exists. I think it was Florida and Louisiana way back during the first Gulf War before Sept 11 were setting up internment camps. Back during the EP-3 spy plane incident, radio talk show hosts were calling for a boycott of Chinese restaurants in the US. You're American until they don't consider you American. 20% of Trump supporters believe ending slavery was a bad thing. You have to prove your loyalty but it doesn't work the other way around. That's called unequal.
 
kwaigonegin

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AssassinsMace said:
The law that allowed internment of the Japanese still exists. I think it was Florida and Louisiana way back during the first Gulf War before Sept 11 were setting up internment camps. Back during the EP-3 spy plane incident, radio talk show hosts were calling for a boycott of Chinese restaurants in the US. You're American until they don't consider you American. 20% of Trump supporters believe ending slavery was a bad thing. You have to prove your loyalty but it doesn't work the other way around. That's called unequal.
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...and those who think or act like that are bigots and racists. However that should not affect your identity and your affiliation. If you do, then you would've allowed them to dictate your live and give them what they wanted.
Racism and prejudice will always exist but we need to be better than that. Even at the height of racism like during WWII there are folks like the Tuskegee airmen and the 442nd Regiment who fought the Germans knowing full well that the very country they are fighting for are putting their fellow Japanese Americans in interment camps.
 
manqiangrexue

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Yes, racists and bigots. We like to tell ourselves that we are better than that; we make laws to fight racism; we tell ourselves not to judge, but all of these simply prove that we are not better than that. If you have to tell yourself not to be racist (or to be better than an racism), that means that you're racist and needed a special effort to paint a coat of political correctness on. If someone has to constantly tell himself that he's not homosexual, then it's time for an honest self-to-self LOL There are laws that fight racism because we know that we are inclined to be racist and there needs to be an external force to ameliorate it. Legally, a Chinese American is as American as someone whose roots trace back to the Mayflower, but socially, it is much more complicated. Simply put, the human race has not evolved past racism, and probably never will because racial sentiment and stereotypes are born from observable trends/correlations.
 
AssassinsMace

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The internment of the Japanese was actually pushed by private interests that wanted to steal houses and farms owned by Japanese. What did the Japanese get after their property was stolen and many of them died by the time of reparations? Peanuts for what it was worth at the time checks were handed out. Any other American... that would be unacceptable. But for the Japanese they're good Americans if they accept those terms. Not all is equal. Today, big rich developers have been pushing to get rid of San Francisco's Chinatown because it sits on prime real estate compared to anything outside San Francisco in the entire US. Ironic since Chinatown was the worthless ghetto where only Chinese were allowed to live back then. Tell that to the Trump supporters or the Tea Party or the self-proclaimed patriots before them where it's American to accept abuse by the government. If it can't happen again, then why do they still have the law?
 
manqiangrexue

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But despite all this, and I do agree with every post on how Asians or "Chinese Americans" are treated unfairly, don't take any of this as a complaint that needs to be rectified; I've not an ounce of it.

I believe that everyone gets what s/he deserves, even if it doesn't make sense by certain human moral standards. The Chinese go to America to seek better living, and there, they face discrimination, because they are a minority and come from a country that is weaker than the US. That is fair because we pay for the failures of our ancestors. Despite what some like to think, we are inextricably bound to the legacy of our race, both the glories and the shame. Through hundreds of years of hedonism, our Chinese ancestors have let the west surpass them in technology and power; they have become weak and decadent and will suffer/ pass on the suffering for their weakness. Their children and grandchildren must pick up the burden and reverse their wrongs lest they pass the same burden onto their progeny.

The only way the Chinese may command respect (as it is always commanded, never given or asked for), is to build a China as strong and dominate as it was in its prime. We cannot rise by putting a tag of "American" on our passports, riding on the coattails of the US. America is a country founded by white settlers who fought with their blood and sweat to create and build it. Any foreigners who came afterwards came to take advantage of an already-cooked meal. Asians are the guests in America; of course guests do not have the same privileges as the masters of the house. What right does a guest have to ask to be treated as an equal to the master? If you don't like it, you can go home! If you have the capability, go home and build your house up better! There you will face no discrimination from your own countrymen and you are free to dish it to your guests as you wish. But as long as you are a minority, you will be discriminated against; it is human nature.
 
Blackstone

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taxiya said:
The Han is not a "pure race", but an ongoing mixing group, it has been embracing other people since its birth, Xiongnu (related to Hun as west knows according to some), Turks, Mongols, Qidan (Khitan), Jurchen (Manchu), Xiabei etc. In a sense, Han is a snowball.

I do not agree with the idea of Han being a homogeneous people held by many westerner and Chinese. The homogeneous concept about people or ethnity is really a mordern western concept from the early 17th century during the nation state building. China was only exposed to it in the late Qing era (1890s up) which was then picked up by the early republicans (such as Sun Zhongshan/Sun Yat-sen) to rally people overthrowing the Qing empror (Manchu).
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Let's look at how things are right now. About 92% of Mainland Chinese self-identifies as Han, not because they all took DNA tests, but based on culture and civilization affiliations. Some minorities get along with the Hans well, but others don't, and the ones that don't are, relatively speaking, few in number but large in geography. That's why if the ferry godmother waved her magic wand and instituted multiparty democracy today, there's a good chance Tibet and Xinjing would vote for independence, and if Tibet and Xinjing vote to leave today, we may have another Chinese civil war tomorrow, because the Hans probably wouldn't allow it.
 
Blackstone

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manqiangrexue said:
What happens when a bunch of Chinese-Americans hang out together? People say, "Oh, yeah, that Chinese group is close-knit." People don't say, "That's an American group of friends just like us!" How about when Chinese-Americans ace tests? "Chinese people are smart!" How about when there are too many Asians-Americans who excel in a field? "Those friggin' Asians are takin' over the office!" It's not, "Look at how well our American brothers are doing! So happy for us!" How sad, to regard yourself as an integral part of the team, when the rest of the team sees you as an outsider, a competitor, someone to be watched closely... An orange is an orange, to everyone.

China recreate a melting pot? I'd prefer not; China is realistic. You are what you are. America is not great because of the melting pot; it is great because it is capitalistic, has the most wealth, and bribes the most talented people to come from their countries to work for greater pay in America. It feeds off greed. I literally know nobody, not 1 person, who came to America because s/he is tired of seeing his/her countrymen and would like to be a part of a polymerized society. They came for greater pay, advancement opportunities, higher living standards; some say they like it just fine here while others lament that they would rather be in their own country but their country has worse living standards, making it difficult. Just the other day, an Italian told me that even though he grew up in NY, to call him Italian, not American. Another friend I met in the gym who spoke perfect English as a naturalized citizen told me that he is a proud Romanian, not an American. They say they don't like American society, but honestly, I don't know why. To me, they blend in perfectly here LOL. In higher education, Indians like to hire Indians and Chinese prefer to work in a Chinese lab while white people juggle hiring foreign talent vs. becoming a minority in their fields. To me, the melting pot has many fissures created by innate racism and the natural preference for one's own countrymen, which is currently insurmountable despite massive PR campaigns. I see the melting pot as an undesirable side-effect (from the standpoint of American unity) from sourcing so much talent from foreigners rather than a self-standing selling point.
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We simply have different visions and I'll leave you to yours.
 
solarz

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Blackstone said:
Let's look at how things are right now. About 92% of Mainland Chinese self-identifies as Han, not because they all took DNA tests, but based on culture and civilization affiliations. Some minorities get along with the Hans well, but others don't, and the ones that don't are, relatively speaking, few in number but large in geography. That's why if the ferry godmother waved her magic wand and instituted multiparty democracy today, there's a good chance Tibet and Xinjing would vote for independence, and if Tibet and Xinjing vote to leave today, we may have another Chinese civil war tomorrow, because the Hans probably wouldn't allow it.
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So you mentioned Tibetans and Uighurs, two ethnic minorities out of 51, and both supported in their separatist ambitions by powerful foreign interests.

How about the 49 other ethnic minorities? How about the Zhuang, Hui, Manchu, Miao, Yi, Tujia, Korean, Mongol, Dong, Bouyei, Yao, Bai, Li, Kazakh, Dai, etc.? Which of those ethnic minorities would vote for independence tomorrow?
 
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