BRICS & New World Order Thread

ansy1968

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I think we need to be smarter than to fall to some dumb propaganda that the US retarded media and "expert analysts" spread because of their deranged, primal, arrogant, hubris-filled delusions.
Of BRICS plus, only 3 countries that counts Russia , China and Iran, they had earned their stripes as the only nation willingly face the full might of the Collective West and survived. Of the new incoming members I'll say Venezuela fit the criteria and even Cuba. That's it the five independent country that stand for the global south, the rest especially of India is irrelevant, a mere fence sitter in a grater scheme of things.
 

vincent

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What China is to blame for? Blame Putin instead. It was him that forced China to accept India in BRICS in return to letting Pakistan join

I still remember all the talk at those times was Putin hedging China and all that crap.
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elieve me, I would pay lots and lots of money to see Putin's face today. Hope his "hedging" was worth it lol
You mean SCO?
 

BlackWindMnt

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Of BRICS plus, only 3 countries that counts Russia , China and Iran, they had earned their stripes as the only nation willingly face the full might of the Collective West and survived. Of the new incoming members I'll say Venezuela fit the criteria and even Cuba. That's it the five independent country that stand for the global south, the rest especially of India is irrelevant, a mere fence sitter in a grater scheme of things.
Brother you're forgetting North Korea, a north korea joining BRICS and SCO would make so many people go malding grey in the west.
 

coolgod

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I think Syria deserves to join also. The other countries in the Group of Friends in Defense of the Charter of the United Nations are pretty based too.
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tphuang

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No, BRICS absolutely should not just add everyone. This needs to be a selective process that makes sure countries actually value its membership and can bring something to the organization.

As for Saudis, they are just playing both sides at the moment. Nothing more than that. They want to get the best offer
 

Serb

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There will be no new BRICS joint currency for trade like some theorized. Everyone will trade in their local currencies and settle excess balances in gold instead (now the entire gold market is shifting East and rising btw).

Thanks to the rise of CBDCs, this won't be much different in terms of efficiency than the current USD system over time - you won't need a global trade currency like that anymore.

Also, thanks to the rise of digital currencies, it will be much easier to trade and bypass the US-led financial architecture and surveillance, the possibility of sanctions.

Previously it was much harder and costlier to build a financial architecture and ecosystems needed to trade in some currency outside of the USD, but now thanks to CBDCs it will be much easier.

Less reliance on intermediaries obviously means greater transaction speed, and you don't need to use US banks to convert everything into dollars in between so no geopolitical risk there as well.

What I think that the BRICS is doing, not creating a new trade currency (that's a smoking gun), but exploring technical aspects of this new CBDC blockchain system.

Also, if you follow gold markets, and some dates, it is obvious that they coordinated the current re-emergence of physical gold as a neutral reserve asset as well. Those are the main plays in terms of de-dollarization.



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This is similar to the China-led mBridge project, with digital yuan, that Saudi Arabia joined in the BIS recently. It is called the BRICS Bridge multisided payment platform.

A bunch of other smaller local projects as well in the UAE and elsewhere, but this is still in its beginning stages. I think that this will eventually become the main global financial model going forward.

That's the thing, you just need to narrow the spread of difficulty of trading in the USD vs not trading it and many would jump ships over time, no matter if the US also bets full on digital currencies (although China is leading currently in this field).

You just need to blunt their advantage in terms of existing traditional banking ecosystems. They are a fully financially dominated economy after all, and have a huge tradition of global dollar use.

However, with the rise of pretty innovative and breakthrough technology now, those kinds of advantages won't matter, as with fewer banking employees, you could still do great local, secure, cross-border trading, thanks to local CBDCs of countries, of the same or even better quality.






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Cross-border CBDC transactions​

In a more recent move, Saudi Arabia has announced its involvement in Project mBridge, a project which explores a multi-central bank digital currency (CBDC) platform shared among participating central banks and commercial banks. It is built on distributed ledger technology (DLT) to enable instant cross-border payments settlements, and foreign-exchange transactions.

The project has more than 26 observing members including the South African Reserve Bank, which was greenlighted as a member this month.

The better known observing members of mBridge are those of the Bank of Israel, Bank of Namibia, Bank of France, Central Bank of Bahrain, Central Bank of Egypt, Central Bank of Jordan, European Central Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the Reserve Bank of Australia, and the World Bank.

In tandem, the project steering committee has created a bespoke governance and legal framework, including a rulebook, tailored to match the platform's unique decentralised nature.

Evolution of Project mBridge​

Project mBridge is the result of extensive collaboration starting in 2021 between the BIS Innovation Hub, the Bank of Thailand, the Central Bank of the United Arab Emirates, the Digital Currency Institute of the People's Bank of China and the Hong Kong Monetary Authority.

In 2022, a pilot with real-value transactions was conducted. Since then, the mBridge project team has been exploring whether the prototype platform could evolve to become a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) – a stage now reached.

As it enters the MVP stage, Project mBridge is now inviting private-sector firms to propose new solutions and use cases that could help develop the platform and showcase all its potential.
 
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Serb

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The BRICS Joint FMs Statement following their meeting in Nizhny Novgorod has been issued.

It is 54 points long, but some key points about the meetings:

- 21,000 attended from 139 nations; - $78 BILLION in bilateral deals were signed on the sidelines of the meeting;

- 59 nations plan to join BRICS+; - Putin personally provided strong leadership, an hour-long speech, and concluded 'Russia will be the heart of the multipolar harmonic world';

- BRICS payments infrastructure is still undetermined, but actively pursued through New Development Bank;

- The West has failed to deter BRICS+ cooperation for mutual benefit, and Russia's victory in Ukraine or global unity for Palestinian statehood could present a Suez Moment for the fading hegemon.







 

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this is Saudi Arabia for you. It will do one thing that makes you think it's moving away from America and another thing that makes you think it is getting closer to a grand deal. All the while Biden needs 2/3 of the senators to approve it, which would be hard to do unless Israel gives the thumbs up. That seems not possible before November. And if Biden loses, which I think is more likely, any deal will have to renegotiated. But even beyond that, I'm not sure how Israel gives thumb up without normalization of relationship with Saudi Arabia. Even Saudi crown prince has to listen to public opinion, which is decidedly anti Israel at the moment. So, it seems like there are a lot of people in Biden whitehouse who is just hoping this will go through, but the Saudis are hedging in the likelihood that it doesn't. So then when it comes to China, the question is if you will offer anything to entice Saudis away from a grand bargain with America.
 

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this is Saudi Arabia for you. It will do one thing that makes you think it's moving away from America and another thing that makes you think it is getting closer to a grand deal. All the while Biden needs 2/3 of the senators to approve it, which would be hard to do unless Israel gives the thumbs up. That seems not possible before November. And if Biden loses, which I think is more likely, any deal will have to renegotiated. But even beyond that, I'm not sure how Israel gives thumb up without normalization of relationship with Saudi Arabia. Even Saudi crown prince has to listen to public opinion, which is decidedly anti Israel at the moment. So, it seems like there are a lot of people in Biden whitehouse who is just hoping this will go through, but the Saudis are hedging in the likelihood that it doesn't. So then when it comes to China, the question is if you will offer anything to entice Saudis away from a grand bargain with America.
Do you have a better source that the Saudi's didn't renew their petrodollar agreement? I haven't seen any credible sources confirm this news yet.
 
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