BRICS & New World Order Thread

KYli

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BRICS can expand its memberships without serious problem due to the fact that the organization didn't attempt to form in any way and form to ally themselves through political agenda but rather common and economic interests.

Reforming international financial institutions, improving international trades and investment, and preventing the West from weaponizing the climate change and securing the energy independent are all desperately needed reform in the Western dominated international order. BRICS's aim should be countering the G7 from abusing the international system through IMF, World Bank, SWIFT and other Western institutions.

BRICS doesn't have to be a complicated institution and should be as simple as it can get and focus on the few agendas that most emerging countries can all agree upon. As for common currency, I have my doubt for a BRICS common currency as a viable option. It would be a long time in making to get something remotely that can be accepted by BRICS members.

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Stierlitz

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MINSK, July 7. /TASS/. Belarus has handed a note of intent to join the BRICS group (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) over to Brazil, the Belarusian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
"On July 6, Belarusian Ambassador to Brazil Sergey Lukashevich held a meeting with Brazilian Deputy Foreign Minister Maria Luisa Escorel de Moraes who is in charge of cooperation with Belarus. A note confirming Belarus’ intent to join BRICS was handed over to Brazil at the meeting," the statement reads.
The Belarusian envoy and the Brazilian deputy foreign minister discussed ways to strengthen cooperation as part of multilateral diplomacy and highlighted the two countries' readiness to boost trade and economic ties.
In late January, Belarusian Foreign Minister Sergey Aleinik stated that Russia had expressed willingness to support Minsk should it decide to join BRICS.

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C Raja Mohan writes: Move over SCO and BRICS — swing states are set to take precedence​

Delhi will continue to sit in SCO and BRICS, but its growing bilateral engagement with key swing states — in resource rich Africa, capital rich Gulf, and technology-rich Europe — is likely to be far more consequential for India’s rise

Like in the SCO, the contradictions within the BRICS are longer hidden.
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BRICS’s plan to float a common currency & India’s reaction to it​

The BRICS alliance with Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa is planning to float a new currency to settle international trade payments to challenge the global reserve status of the US dollar. The bloc of the five nations is likely to jointly decide on floating a new BRICS currency during its next summit in August, 2023 to be held at Johannesburg in South Africa. Although all other countries constituting BRICS, including Brazil, Russia, China, and South Africa seem to be on the side of issuance of a common BRICS currency, India seems to be the only country that has not shown interest in the plans to launch a new currency.
India’s External Affairs Minister, S. Jaishankar in a press conference held on Monday, 3rd July, 2023 said that India has no plans for a BRICS currency. He declared a month before the summit that India might back out from creating the new currency. Instead, India is focused on strengthening its national currency, the Rupee, and making Rupee stronger will be the top priority of the Indian government, Jaishankar had stated.
Justification for this stand
  1. India is the only country in the bloc that is doing well in terms of GDP on its merit. As such, the country needs no support from BRICS and can survive without the new BRICS currency, it is claimed.
  2. India also has good relations with the U.S. and Europe with trade and military deals worth billions of dollars. Country does not want to risk its trade with Western powers, believing in the yet-to-be-released BRICS currency.
India, however, is likely to press for deciding well-defined criteria for the proposed addition of new members to the BRICS grouping of emerging nations, instead of extending membership solely on the basis of recommendations by present members. If BRICS nations decide on taking in new members, India therefore would want formulation of well-established criteria for qualification.
Suspected Agenda of China

Reports suggest that China is using BRICS as a weapon in its quest to dethrone the U.S. dollar as the global reserve currency. The Chinese government is said to be eyeing for the U.S. dollar collapse with BRICS is believed to be the stepping stone to turn the idea into a reality. However, the other three countries India, Brazil, and South Africa seem to be skeptical about the prospects of China dominating the world. They fear that Xi Jinping could impose his vision of the global order, when the new currency appears on the international stage.
India particularly is skeptical about the intentions of China for the following reasons:
  • India is wary of China’s power & her prowling nature, and hence wants to remain alert of thepossibility of China, a communist & authoritarian country using BRICS for her self-interest.
  • India feels theBRICS alliance is becoming China-centricmaking the communist nation the recipient of international trade deals.
  • India feels, Xi Jinping ledChina is trying to become a global economic and military superpower and BRICS could be the stepping stone to achieve her goal.
  • China is pressurising several countries to settle trade using Chinese Yuanto outdo every other member of BRICS to enable China to follow her plan of action & impose Xi Jinping’s vision of the global order, once the new currency reigns on the international stage.
  • China and India have been at odds for more than a decade now despite being together as members in BRICS. It is noteworthy that India previously banned Chinese goods from entering the country and placed a ban on Chinese apps, including TikTok, a short-form video hosting service and Shein, the Chinese online fast fashion retailer.
India is therefore rightfully worried that Beijing is using the platform of BRICS for imposing President Xi Jinping’s vision on the countries of the world by dethroning the US dollar & becoming a global economic & military superpower.

The contradictions within BRICS are indeed no longer hidden, especially since it happens to have the same person playing 搅屎棍 as in the SCO. The RT
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of Russian SCO official is pretty apt “个别国家破坏上合组织内部团结的日益膨胀的野心、处理与个别伙伴关系”.
 
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Chevalier

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C Raja Mohan writes: Move over SCO and BRICS — swing states are set to take precedence​

Delhi will continue to sit in SCO and BRICS, but its growing bilateral engagement with key swing states — in resource rich Africa, capital rich Gulf, and technology-rich Europe — is likely to be far more consequential for India’s rise


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BRICS’s plan to float a common currency & India’s reaction to it​








The contradictions within BRICS are indeed no longer hidden, especially since it happens to have the same person playing 搅屎棍 as in the SCO. The RT
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of Russian SCO official is pretty apt “个别国家破坏上合组织内部团结的日益膨胀的野心、处理与个别伙伴关系”.
At this point, India should either resign from BRICS or be expelled from BRICS; they are unworthy to be a key founding member of the anti imperialist club- disgraceful even, given that india suffered as much as it did under the anglos and yet persists in being what is effectively a sepoy slave.
Indian elites however, merely see themselves as temporarily embarrassed Westerners. Situation is untenable.

Incidentally, Carl Zha makes the point the this means India will still have to use Chinese RMB to buy Russian and Saudi oil
 
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Why India is wary of China’s BRICS expansion push as Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt – and others – seek to join​


  • Neither India nor Brazil want to lose influence in the bloc, with New Delhi concerned that enlargement would only grow Beijing’s strategic influence
  • All current members share a desire to reform the international system, analysts say, but a new world order is mostly in Russia and China’s interest


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Published: 9:30am, 5 Jul, 2023 Updated: 9:30am, 5 Jul, 2023


The leaders of South Africa, China, Brazil, Russia and India at the 2022 BRICS summit hosted by Beijing. Photo: Xinhua via AP

The leaders of South Africa, China, Brazil, Russia and India at the 2022 BRICS summit hosted by Beijing. Photo: Xinhua via AP

Not all members of the
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bloc of major emerging economies are getting behind the push to expand it, with
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particularly “wary” of the plan, analysts say, as doubt lingers about whether the grouping could become a counterweight to existing regional alliances.

When the BRICS members –
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,
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, India,
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and
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– gather for a leadership summit next month in Johannesburg, front runners to join the bloc will include
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,
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, the United Arab Emirates,
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, Algeria,
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and
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.

A three-day meeting involving senior officials began on Tuesday, with the expansion proposal expected to be on the agenda.
Once seen as a loose association of diverse emerging economies, BRICS – aimed at promoting peace, security, development and cooperation – represents 43 per cent of the world’s population, 26 per cent of its land area and about 30 per cent of the global economy.

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said last year it wanted the bloc to start working on
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, but Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said last month that the process was still a “work in progress”, citing the need to deliberate on standards, criteria and procedures of what an expanded grouping would look like.


Oliver Stuenkel, an associate international-relations professor at Fundacao Getulio Vargas, a university in Brazil, said there was some concern within India as to “what extent an expansion is in New Delhi’s interest”.

“I think we’d have to wait and see if there’d be any significant movements in that direction,” Stuenkel said, noting that China was by far the strongest advocate of an enlarged BRICS, followed by Russia. Both India and Brazil, meanwhile, were “a bit wary of losing influence in a large grouping”, he added.

“The new members would largely join to be closer to China and not to Brazil or India,” Stuenkel said, adding that the bloc had already emerged as a counterweight to the West and an alternative model to the powerful
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comprising Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States.

“Irrespective of whether there will be an expansion, the five BRICS countries [already] have significant influence in their respective regions,” Stuenkel said.

Anu Anwar, a fellow at Harvard University’s Faculty of Arts and Sciences, said India’s recent
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suggested it was an “outlier” in BRICS, which means it “makes sense” for other members to want to expand the bloc.


In recent times, Delhi has strengthened economic, defence and technological cooperation
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and the
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, and has played an active role in the
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security grouping, particularly by producing vaccines for the Indo-Pacific region amid
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The Quad – which also includes Australia, Japan and the US – was revived in recent years in response to China’s growing global influence.

Anwar said it was unlikely that BRICS could emerge as an alternative to the G7, as almost all countries in the first-world grouping were
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members or in other forms of military alliances with the US.

“None of the BRICS members have a military alliance among themselves, and it is highly unlikely to form one in the near future,” Anwar said, adding that such an alliance was key to building a new world order.

“Although expanding members to a few middle powers and regional players could indeed make a significant shift in the global balance of power, it is unlikely to contribute to forming an alternative international order.”

Günther Maihold, deputy director of the German Institute for International and Security Affairs, said creating a new world order was clearly in China and Russia’s interests.

“They are together fostering the enlargement of BRICS in order to legitimise this aspiration,” Maihold said, noting that Brazil, India and South Africa were more interested in maintaining the status quo.

Maihold said China’s interest in enlarging the group and “extending its clout” might be “counterproductive” as it could generate resistance from other BRICS members and the fairly informal group might be even more difficult to manage after expansion.

“[It might also] generate more internal rivalries,” Maihold said, referring not just to poor relations between China and India over
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, but also the competition for greater regional and international influence.

Shirley Ze Yu, a senior practitioner fellow at Harvard Kennedy School’s Ash Centre, said an enlarged BRICS would reflect the bloc’s strength and Beijing’s growing influence, as China alone represented two-thirds of the BRICS’ gross domestic product.

“As more members subscribe to a common multilateral framework, China will become the rule-setter,” Yu said, noting that any country occupying such a role would carry tremendous influence in the decades to come.


The New Development Bank, formerly the BRICS Development Bank, was established in 2015 with the aim of funding infrastructure developments in emerging economies. Photo: Reuters


The New Development Bank, formerly the BRICS Development Bank, was established in 2015 with the aim of funding infrastructure developments in emerging economies. Photo: Reuters

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Simple, Brics without India or Brazil is fine. They are failed states. Brics without China is a joke. Nobody give a shit to Brics without China. It's China should pity that they have to partner with all these failed states.
 

Chevalier

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From the looks of things, other nations in BRICS and SCO simply ignore India and do what they need to get done - usually with China. eg Pakistan's BRI projects.

India even refuses to open its market for RCEP, and looks like it won't open its market to anyone who isn't a white anglo and even then, not every anglo american company can make money from India without having it stolen and then being forced to leave the country, rinse and repeat.
 

ansy1968

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Simple, Brics without India or Brazil is fine. They are failed states. Brics without China is a joke. Nobody give a shit to Brics without China. It's China should pity that they have to partner with all these failed states.
Bro, China need them for diplomatic cover, they have a role to play in their own hemisphere, so the dictum of hide one strength is very evident here. And you're correct China and Russia is the foundation of BRICS, we have to change I from India to Iran and S from South Africa to Saudi Arabia and let's see how the collective west react.
 

Africablack

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Bro, China need them for diplomatic cover, they have a role to play in their own hemisphere, so the dictum of hide one strength is very evident here. And you're correct China and Russia is the foundation of BRICS, we have to change I from India to Iran and S from South Africa to Saudi Arabia and let's see how the collective west react.
Which will not be a smart move. BRICS will then prove the west correct that it's just a club of non liberal democracies. I don't get the love of including a bunch of countries from the same region, you risk importing a bunch of problems in the future. If India wants to leave they can go, but removing South Africa will be a big blow.
 

ansy1968

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Which will not be a smart move. BRICS will then prove the west correct that it's just a club of non liberal democracies. I don't get the love of including a bunch of countries from the same region, you risk importing a bunch of problems in the future. If India wants to leave they can go, but removing South Africa will be a big blow.
Then add an additional S to make it BRICSS.
 

coolgod

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Preventing Chinese hegemony in expanded BRICS​

India seeks genuine multilateralism. The diminishing of Russian power has been detrimental to Indian objectives.

For India, the main challenge is to prevent Chinese domination of BRICS. India is laying emphasis on its own agenda. This seeks genuine multilateralism in the world through a reform of the UN, particularly the Security Council. India aims to keep BRICS aligned against terrorism in all its manifestations. While China pays lip service to these ideas, it tries to push them lower on the agenda and accept them tangentially.
Rather than become an alternative development model by using the resources of the New Development Bank (NBD), BRICS is being pushed by China with tacit Russian support to expand the group of countries who will oppose the US-centric global perspective and follow Chinese tenets of use of international institutions favouring China. On these, India often has no difference of opinion, but it is in the intent that there is divergence.
Ideally, BRICS should have balanced itself against Chinese hegemony by reviving the spirit of the India-Brazil-South Africa (IBSA) grouping, which predated BRICS. Had the IBSA spirit worked, then China and Russia would not have held sway over BRICS. Instead of the IBSA spirit, divergent reactions from South Africa and Brazil have emerged.
India maintains a criterion-based approach for expansion. In 2022, South Africa agreed with India, but has since moved towards a big-bang expansion, as sought by China. India remains committed to Paragraph 73 of the BRICS-2022 declaration linking expansion to discussion, principles and evaluation.
Brazil could be a swing state, but without India’s assent, a consensus is unlikely to emerge. Like in the SCO as in BRICS, India understands that it could be isolated and realises the value of standing firm on its view and not letting China easily have its way. The diminishing of Russian power has been detrimental to Indian objectives.
Since India stood up to open expansion, South Africa proposed an expanded BRICS outreach arrangement with more countries. The criterion for that also remains unclear. For India, objectivity is easier because it has no particular candidate that can prove to be advantageous by bringing it into BRICS. Whichever country comes in will be beholden to China for its larger economic clout. At the same time, India does not want to be seen as vetoing its friends’ aspirations to be in BRICS.
The entire push for fixing a criterion is actually a battle to choose partners which are amenable to individual members of the current BRICS. India has been directly approached by some Asian and African countries but their aspirations do not match the criterion likely to evolve. India is unlikely to agree to a large expansion but up to five members may be preferred, so long as the BRICS character is maintained. India should obtain leverage with new members who must fully contribute to the NDB.

Not sure what Modi was offered in the white house, but he sure sent the marching orders to the elites when he returned. I have never seen an article on BRICS that is this brazen.
 
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