BRICS & New World Order Thread

gelgoog

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In what way. China is like one of few country never ruled by theocracy. Iran historically are very intellectual, although I would argue their education is good in spite of the politics, not because of.
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Minm

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In what way. China is like one of few country never ruled by theocracy. Iran historically are very intellectual, although I would argue their education is good in spite of the politics, not because of.
Might be a bit heretical for me to say so, but a communist party is not too different from organised religion. Certainly in the Mao (or Lenin and Stalin, or Pol Pot etc) years. Iran even had its own cultural revolution. And today, 35 years after the end of war, society is becoming increasingly secular and less ideological, focusing on economic development rather than export of the revolution. So there are some similarities

Also there was the Taiping heavenly kingdom, which really isn't discussed often enough. If you need an example of the dangers of western influences, the Christians probably did more damage to China than the British
 

drowingfish

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Might be a bit heretical for me to say so, but a communist party is not too different from organised religion. Certainly in the Mao (or Lenin and Stalin, or Pol Pot etc) years. Iran even had its own cultural revolution. And today, 35 years after the end of war, society is becoming increasingly secular and less ideological, focusing on economic development rather than export of the revolution. So there are some similarities

Also there was the Taiping heavenly kingdom, which really isn't discussed often enough. If you need an example of the dangers of western influences, the Christians probably did more damage to China than the British
this is exactly right, similarities between Iran and China has nothing to do with religion etc. but how they are organized.
 

KYli

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Macron really wants to attend BRICS. And French FM is trying to get South African president to extend an invitation.
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French President Emmanuel Macron hopes to attend a BRICS summit scheduled for August, his foreign minister said Tuesday, a meeting to which Russian leader Vladimir Putin has been invited.


Foreign minister Catherine Colonna said she had informed summit hosts South Africa Pretoria of Macron’s “interest” in attending as an observer at the summit of a bloc which groups Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
 

Maikeru

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Macron really wants to attend BRICS. And French FM is trying to get South African president to extend an invitation.
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French President Emmanuel Macron hopes to attend a BRICS summit scheduled for August, his foreign minister said Tuesday, a meeting to which Russian leader Vladimir Putin has been invited.


Foreign minister Catherine Colonna said she had informed summit hosts South Africa Pretoria of Macron’s “interest” in attending as an observer at the summit of a bloc which groups Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
Do we have any insight as to why Macron is so interested? Seems an odd move.

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KYli

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It might be an attempt by Macron to distance himself from the unpopular Ukraine war. Many French has rallied behind Le Pen's independent course of foreign policies. Macron might feel that making diplomatic maneuver with BRICS and engaging with China would give him a boost of image as a strong independent leader.

In addition, after meeting with Xi, Macron has been emboldened by the fact that China is sincerely supporting EU being a pole of the new world order. Macron sees this an opportunity to embrace a new direction and charge a new course. There is little to lose but a lot to gain if French can maintain strategic ambiguous by maintaining a good relationship with China and other global south countries as De gaulle was able to do.

Lastly, EU has become more and more German's centric. France needs to show the world that it is still relevant and so rallying the anti-transatlantic factions within EU is a good strategy.
 

Overbom

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Macron really wants to attend BRICS. And French FM is trying to get South African president to extend an invitation.
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French President Emmanuel Macron hopes to attend a BRICS summit scheduled for August, his foreign minister said Tuesday, a meeting to which Russian leader Vladimir Putin has been invited.


Foreign minister Catherine Colonna said she had informed summit hosts South Africa Pretoria of Macron’s “interest” in attending as an observer at the summit of a bloc which groups Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
Macron wants to hedge. He is doing ok for now, however I don't think its enough. He needs to signal a bit more.

In any case, getting France to participate in BRICS meetings (certainly not join BRICS itself!) would be a good idea as that would make France the weak link of the Western hegemony. After that weak link is exploited then more European countries could be influenced to do the same which would effectively paralyze the EU's function of being a US puppet

Its a long shot, but we also have to be careful. You know how the US works, they create a scandal out of nothing, Macron resigns, new US-friendly president replaces him. So Macron has to work hard to prove that France isn't so easily influenced by the US
 

luminary

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Macron wants to hedge. He is doing ok for now, however I don't think its enough. He needs to signal a bit more.

In any case, getting France to participate in BRICS meetings (certainly not join BRICS itself!) would be a good idea as that would make France the weak link of the Western hegemony. After that weak link is exploited then more European countries could be influenced to do the same which would effectively paralyze the EU's function of being a US puppet

Its a long shot, but we also have to be careful. You know how the US works, they create a scandal out of nothing, Macron resigns, new US-friendly president replaces him. So Macron has to work hard to prove that France isn't so easily influenced by the US
Macron recognizes that the rising BRICS+ will reshape the global financial system. He's smart, but more importantly semi-independent, and no France needs to get in on the new world order or it'll get left behind with the rest of Europe.
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Some good insider quotes here.
“In Paris, China is expected to propose new measures to write off the debt of African countries, provided that international banks agree to take the first step,” concludes Macron’s entourage.
Macron is interesting in negotiating with BRICS to create a ‘New global financial pact’.



There are a lot of reasons why France should not attend, including the fact that Macron may be in violation of the ICC ruling by meeting Putin at the summit.

Nonetheless, if France is taken into the fold, as some kind of observer nation, It is not impossible that we will see Germany do the same in another few years, considering how popular the eurosceptic / europhobe far-right AfD party is currently polling. Germany may very well flip in the next few years, becoming hostile to the EU / Ukraine agenda and giving their industrialists more leeway to mend ties with China. Still doesn't change the fact that the US has dozens of military bases in their country, though.

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SteelBird

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Do we have any insight as to why Macron is so interested? Seems an odd move.

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a paragraph in the above report:
Macron’s participation in the BRICS summit will have political consequences if he clashes with Vladimir Putin at the same meeting… Putin may not come because of an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court (ICC). But what if he arrives, and Macron collides with him? It is not a fact that Vladimir Zelensky and Joe Biden will appreciate this.

I don't think there is any clash between Macron and Putin in case both leaders participate in the summit. On the other hand, I think Macron's main purpose at the summit is to meet Putin.
 
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