Best Trained Air Force Pilots

Hmmm... you would think advanced U.S.-made jet fighters could tell the difference between an airliner and an F-14. You are justifying a horrific act which killed 330 of my compatriots. How would you feel if I did the same regarding, say, a suicide bombing in a U.S. troop encampments? (Mind you, only SOLDIERS, not civilians, would be killed in such an attack).

There are two possible explanations for our mining of your warship:

1. We are evil and hate Americans.
2. The United States had sabotaged our Tomcats after the revolution, imposed an arms embargo against us, sponsered MKO to committ acts of terrorism against us, sold Saddam chemical weapons, etc.

Also, no compensation was given whatsoever (In fact, not even a formal apology was given).

LOL, The USS Vincennes is an AEGIS cruiser, not a warplane and only 290 people were killed on flight 655. We sabotaged your Tomcats and imposed arms imbargos because after the revolution, Iran was a hostile nation.

After decades of colonial servitude, you expected us to kiss your feet?!?! By the way, you never attempted to justify your support of MKO or your sale of chemical weapons to Saddam. And the fact that it was a warship does not undo the fact that it was a horrific and criminal act.

That Iranian Airliner was accidentally shot down, not deliberately. We mistook it for a hostile F-14, accidents happen. The Airliner incident was not an act of terrorism. We shot it down because it was a potential threat to the lives of American servicemen.

Keep in mind that your severly drifting offtopic!!!

Gollevainen said:

Keep in mind that your severly drifting offtopic!!!

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I agree with Gollevainen. Too much off topic discussion. And country bashing.

It's not really necessary.

I thought the orginal discussion was on what country has the best trained Air Force pilots? What happend to that?

Let's get back to that.

Ok, back on topic...

If we're talking about fighter pilots, going just by # of kills with 3rd generation aircraft, Israeli F-15's has 56 confirmed air kills, and Israeli F-16's have 47 confirmed air kills.

USAF F-15's have air kills, and USAF F-16's have 6 air kills between Iraq and Yugoslavia.

The British Royal Air Force had 23 air kills during the Argentine war with Sea Harriers.

The Ethiopia-Eritrea war resulted in at least 5 confimred MiG-29 kills, plus a couple of MiG-21's. It's said that the pilots were a mix of Russian & Ukrainian mercenaries and few locals:


South African Mirage F1's also scored 6 mission kills against MiG-23's.

Other than that, I think there's a few aerial victories here and there, like the Saudi F-15 that shot down the 2 Iraqi F-1's.

Yes, but every pilot in the RSAF is American!

I thought this topic was about the best trained fighter pilots ?

When we say best 'trained' do we mean most flight hours ? most combat experience against equivalent ( surely not firing missiles at a house in downtown baghdad ?) ?

Is the question if you put an average chinese pilot against an average american pilot in 2 equivalent aircraft who would win ?

I can understand why we keep drifting off-topic because the questions are not precise

I thought this topic was about the best trained fighter pilots ?

When we say best 'trained' do we mean most flight hours ? most combat experience against equivalent ( surely not firing missiles at a house in downtown baghdad ?) ?

Is the question if you put an average chinese pilot against an average american pilot in 2 equivalent aircraft who would win ?

I can understand why we keep drifting off-topic because the questions are not precise
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The judgement for ranking the nations that produce the "best trained" pilots should be based on the following requirement:

1. combat records ( kills/losses ratio)
2. training hours spent in aircraft and simulators
3. strategy and tactics utilized
4. creativity, initialitives , and innovation of pilots

Basically, if an average pilot from two nations fight against each other,with the same quality aircrafts , who will win based on skill alone?

The combat records of Isreal 's air force speaks for itself through out its wars with Arab nations since its independence in 1948. Their pilots are highly trained and skilled in air combat. Its air force imposes very limited restriction on its pilots; therefore, giving its pilots the freedom to fully utilize thier skills and creativity for the winning edge in air combat. I had a college roommate from Isreal who told me the intensity of their training programs and the pilots's dedication to be the best pilots in the world.