Aussies think PLAN will stop Aussie shipments to China?
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Aussies think PLAN will stop Aussie shipments to China?
Lethe
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Either that or the Russians or the North Koreans (seriously).
Australians have some weird threat perceptions. Could write an essay about that but I won't.
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Of course the rise of China represents a significant change in Australia's strategic environment and requires careful attention at all levels, including decisions about future force structure, etc. Unfortunately too much of the discourse is overly alarmist or even silly, e.g. the idea that China will halt Australia's trade through the SCS.
Australians have some weird threat perceptions. Could write an essay about that but I won't.
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Of course the rise of China represents a significant change in Australia's strategic environment and requires careful attention at all levels, including decisions about future force structure, etc. Unfortunately too much of the discourse is overly alarmist or even silly, e.g. the idea that China will halt Australia's trade through the SCS.
SouthernSky
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It's always amusing to see people limiting the interpretation of submarine warfare to blocking SLOC.
I'm more thinking in term of the overall buildup of the Aussie navy. It is weird for countries like Australia and Canada to spend a huge amount of money on limited power projection
SouthernSky
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Your thinking is based around what you have learned on the internet.
What you means, link eventualy ? reading ?
The Collins are silencious and modernised with a good sonar and armed with 22 weapons only the Soryu for a SSK have more 30 !
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Australian mindset was pretty much portrayed in the last submarine contract. It was like:
Navy: 'Late's get the latest state of art submarine that's out there!'
Government: 'Threre's only French, German, Spanish and Japanese offer.'
N: 'We'll take what's the most advanced and suited weapon from those offers!'
G: 'OK, you have a free hand!'
after some time of taking the best offer from RAN side:
N: 'OK, we decided, Japanese subs are state of art ones with best capabilities for our requirements. We would be thankful for choosing those ones!'
G: 'OK, that's for granted - best capability for our requirements and the best ones we could get - after all - we would be at best two years behind the best technology out there in our use after all! That's worth it!'
Two days before it's announced (and many thousands of AUD offered to those who decided after...):
French guy: 'We'll build the best subs that haven't been out to sea yet but with our best tested 90's technology as we can't do anything above it and with that technological margin it's safe for us to build those in Australia as even if there are Chinese spies they're still some 20 years behind. Those should be perfect for you!'
G (after taking some chamapgne and money from French side): We should get the French ones after all! And with that 20 years behind tech we should be able to construct those in 'our' shipyards so that that the workplaces should be saved!!!
There's nothing wrong with them being blamed. After all they became a tool for the politicians that take various forms of bribes from abroad. But it's bad for RAN after all.
Navy: 'Late's get the latest state of art submarine that's out there!'
Government: 'Threre's only French, German, Spanish and Japanese offer.'
N: 'We'll take what's the most advanced and suited weapon from those offers!'
G: 'OK, you have a free hand!'
after some time of taking the best offer from RAN side:
N: 'OK, we decided, Japanese subs are state of art ones with best capabilities for our requirements. We would be thankful for choosing those ones!'
G: 'OK, that's for granted - best capability for our requirements and the best ones we could get - after all - we would be at best two years behind the best technology out there in our use after all! That's worth it!'
Two days before it's announced (and many thousands of AUD offered to those who decided after...):
French guy: 'We'll build the best subs that haven't been out to sea yet but with our best tested 90's technology as we can't do anything above it and with that technological margin it's safe for us to build those in Australia as even if there are Chinese spies they're still some 20 years behind. Those should be perfect for you!'
G (after taking some chamapgne and money from French side): We should get the French ones after all! And with that 20 years behind tech we should be able to construct those in 'our' shipyards so that that the workplaces should be saved!!!
There's nothing wrong with them being blamed. After all they became a tool for the politicians that take various forms of bribes from abroad. But it's bad for RAN after all.
antiterror13
Brigadier
sore loser ... always find an excuse to blame others ... get over it!
"taking money" ? ... thats a serious accusation from Japanese ... Australia is one of the cleanest countries in the world (NZ is way cleaner though) in regard to corruption .. way way better than Japan .. so don't use your country analogy and situation (bribery) to other country (Aus)
Two minutes of google search
On October 22, 1992, she left Sydney Harbour and headed for Shanghai to gather intelligence on the Chinese navy, especially its new submarines
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It would not be easy to stay unseen and undetected while barely submerged and trying to collect intelligence, and the consequences of detection could be grave for the submarine's crew and for Australia-China relations.
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But the patrol proved a nightmare, with the harbour crowded with fishing boats, many trailing long fishing lines and nets.
antiterror13
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