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  • n short: Vice-Admiral David Johnston will become the chief of defence force, replacing General Angus Campbell.
  • Vice-Admiral Johnston will be the first defence chief from the navy in 22 years.
  • What's next? He will take up the role from July, following the approval of the governor-general.
 

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Chess Dynamics To Provide Surveillance Systems For Australia’s Hunter Class Frigates​


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Sea Eagle FCEO (Fire Control Electro Optical) is an advanced electro optical fire control system that provides precision tracking of surface and air targets and accurate gunfire control in surface (ASuW), air (AAW) and shore (NGS) engagements. Chess Dynamics picture.

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The Australian Surface Fleet Dilemma & Tier 2 – Naval News Analysis​


In essence government was seeking to resolve concerns over the recapitalisation of the eight strong ANZAC-class commissioned in the 1990s. The ANZAC-class, based on the original German TKMS MEKO 200-design, emerged in response to the RAN-need for an affordable multirole frigate produced in cooperation with New Zealand. The effort designated SEA 5000 Phase 1 materialising as the Hunter-class frigate was previously the intended successor to ANZAC. However the program has
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of affordability, complexity and timelines. Hunter started out as an effort for a more capable multirole replacement for the ANZAC-class. As it turned out, the program now mostly serves as a template of all the mistakes to avoid in this regard.

As a result Hunter together with the Hobart-class AAW-destroyers has now “mutated” into the “Tier 1”-segment of combatants for the future fleet mix. In line with this perception Canberra intends to cut Hunter short at six instead of nine hulls. A “lower end”- or “Tier 2”-design has emerged as new effort to come true on the requirement for an additional ANZAC-successor and growing the RAN surface fleet. The new Tier 2-effort must therefore make concessions in capability and delivery timeframes to meet this aspiration. Yet here is where things are, again, getting complicated with decisions announced by government in February this year.

The four candidates as listed are:

  • Meko A-200 (TKMS/Germany)
  • Mogami 30FFM (MHI/Japan)
  • Daegu FFX Batch II/III (HHI/Korea)
  • ALFA3000 (Navantia/Spain)
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Lethe

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Australia is following in the footsteps of the United Kingdom by announcing ever more grandiose force structure plans justified with ever more bellicose political rhetoric, whilst simultaneously degrading near-term force structures owing to budgetary pressures and a lack of manpower. HMAS Anzac (FFG-150) was today
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after a previously planned life extension program was cancelled. This leaves Australia with ten major surface combatants: seven ANZACs and three Hobarts. The planned retirement of HMAS Arunta in 2026 will bring that number down to nine.

Meanwhile, the first of six Hunter-class frigates is now not expected to be delivered
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, some sixteen years after BAE's proposal was selected for the program in 2018. There is no cause for concern, however, because the first ship of a further "general purpose" frigate design that has yet to be selected, let alone contracted or with long-lead items on order, is intended to arrive by the end of the decade. Sir, please refrain from laughing while the Minister is speaking.
 
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Australia's chaotic submarine procurement plans mean that the existing Collins-class boats will have to go through a major overhaul and refurbishment process to extend their service lives for another decade while we await the nuclear promised land. The Albanese government has now been advised that the planned Collins life-extension program is "high risk" and that it is unclear if we have the necessary expertise to conduct it:

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The Albanese government has been warned that the $5bn plan to extend the life of the navy’s ageing fleet of Collins-class submarines for another decade is a perilously high-risk endeavour that is not guaranteed to succeed.

An interim report and verbal briefings delivered to the government have revealed significant technical challenges to the planned $5bn Life of Type Extension to the six Collins-class submarines due to begin in 2026.

The classified assessment of the LOTE project, by former US navy deputy assistant secretary Gloria Valdez, was commissioned by the government last October to assess the viability of the plan to extend the life of the Collins boats to ensure that Australia “retains an enduring, potent and agile submarine capability”.

It is understood that Ms Valdez’s interim report delivered this month outlined extensive technical risks to the LOTE program, saying the size and scope of the planned extensions had never before been attempted on the bespoke Collins-class boats, which were built between 1990 and 2003.

Ms Valdez expressed concern that the government-owned submarine company ASC lacked the necessary design and engineering experience to extend the life of the submarines for a full decade.

She is also understood to have recommended that the Collins-class submarine’s original Swedish designer, SAAB Kockums, be given a larger role in ensuring the project’s success.

The LOTE will need the submarines to be largely rebuilt, with their hulls cut in half to replace the propulsion systems, diesel engines, generators, and the power conversion and distribution systems as well as upgraded command and control systems.

The chief executive and managing director of ASC Stuart Whiley told Senate estimates hearings in February that there were “no guarantees” with the LOTE outcome, saying it was a “first-of-class engineering task” that had not been done before and was “certainly a challenging technical program”.

Nonetheless, the government has confirmed that it is going ahead with the LOTE program because it is the only way of avoiding a significant capability gap as the Collins-class boats would otherwise retire before the nuclear-powered boats come online. The pièce de résistance of this situation is that even if everything goes to plan, the life-extension program still implies a diminution in our near-term capabilities as each boat is taken out of the water for up to two years. That is to say, despite all the rhetoric, in the real world, as with surface combatants, our submarine capability is actually going backwards. It's a truly remarkable display of ongoing incompetence.
 

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Australia's chaotic submarine procurement plans mean that the existing Collins-class boats will have to go through a major overhaul and refurbishment process to extend their service lives for another decade while we await the nuclear promised land. The Albanese government has now been advised that the planned Collins life-extension program is "high risk" and that it is unclear if we have the necessary expertise to conduct it:

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Nonetheless, the government has confirmed that it is going ahead with the LOTE program because it is the only way of avoiding a significant capability gap as the Collins-class boats would otherwise retire before the nuclear-powered boats come online. The pièce de résistance of this situation is that even if everything goes to plan, the life-extension program still implies a diminution in our near-term capabilities as each boat is taken out of the water for up to two years. That is to say, despite all the rhetoric, in the real world, as with surface combatants, our submarine capability is actually going backwards. It's a truly remarkable display of ongoing incompetence.

That works out to USD 550 million for each submarine.

You could buy a new Soryu for the same money. The smaller French and German SSKs would cost even less.
 

Lethe

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That works out to USD 550 million for each submarine.

You could buy a new Soryu for the same money. The smaller French and German SSKs would cost even less.

We've been kicking around the idea of service-life extensions for the Collins-class boats for at least a decade now, and the scale of the proposed extensions has increased over time as the complete clusterfuck that is the replacement program has pushed timelines ever further to the right.

This was the line
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Head of Navy Capability Rear Admiral Jonathan Mead said while one or two of the current Collins Class submarines were expected to have substantial reworking, all six in the fleet would need to receive some form of upgrading.

"[It is] to do with communications and sonars. [We are] aiming to get that submarine through — not just from a whole perspective, but a capabilities perspective — through into the 2030s," he said.

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Under questioning from Labor senator Penny Wong, the Chief of Navy insisted no decision on full upgrades had been made yet.

"Government has not yet made a determination as to how many Collins Class will be upgraded," he said.

"There will be a number that need to be upgraded and that number could be between three and six, depending on the nature of the capabilities that are available to put into that program as we go through the life of type extension."

Now, as per previous post, we're up to all six boats going through extensive reworks, including gutting and replacing main machinery, with the aim of extending their service life into the late 2040s.

With even a modicum of skepticism, given that we are now mid-2024 with the government having again recommitted to an LOTE process that still appears to be less than fully defined, let alone contracted for, it's clear that the notional 2026 start date will not be met. It's also likely that the planned 2-year cadence per-boat will not be met, and that costs will escalate beyond those currently acknowledged. It's entirely possible that serious problems will be encountered along the way and the results ultimately less than hoped for. It's also entirely possible that current notional delivery schedules for three Virginia-class submarines from the United States in the 2030s will not be met for one reason or another. In short, we are completely fucked, and it's a mess entirely of our own making.
 
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Foreign nationals who join the Australian Defence Force could have their citizenship fast tracked after 90 days of service. For the first time, non-citizens will be eligible to join the ADF, as the Defence Force struggles to meet recruitment targets.​

 

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  • In short: Australia's newest warship, HMAS Stalwart, is being urgently repaired after it broke down in Darwin.
  • The ship was commissioned into service less than three years ago.
  • What's next? The vessel will now remain in Darwin for an extended port visit as Defence investigates the issue.
The Royal Australian Navy is a farce at this point.
 

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  • In short: Australia's newest warship, HMAS Stalwart, is being urgently repaired after it broke down in Darwin.
  • The ship was commissioned into service less than three years ago.
  • What's next? The vessel will now remain in Darwin for an extended port visit as Defence investigates the issue.
The Royal Australian Navy is a farce at this point.
Echoes of the Prince of Wales... It was a stalwart problem by the sounds of it.
 
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