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isthvan

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Sure, but if Australia needs to choose between hurting the U.S. over an Eagle purchase and their own interests, (maybe modernizing the Australian health care system) I think they will choose to hurt the U.S. relationship

Australia decided that they will replace there F-18A/B fleet whit JSF. In the meantime they upgraded avionics on F-18s to C/D level. There were rumors about purchase/leasing of F-15s or F-18Fs as replacement for F-111 fleet but there were no official news about this...

But Advanced Sukhois with western avionics seem to be very lethal and a lot more cost effective. Also, Australia won't be facing enemies with Strike Eagles (or perhaps even opponents with Advanced Sukhois with western avionics). They may face opponents armed with Advanced MIG 29 variants though. Therefore, they dont need the absolute best weapons.
I am thinking Sukhois provide long range strike, Gripens provide local air defense and local air support if Australia finds itself in an area with poor runways etc.

If they decide that they need replacement for F-111 Aussies will probably go for F-18F or F-15. There is no chance in hell that they will buy Russian fighter. You must remember that Aussies have quite big amount of US weapons in inventory (LBGs, JDAM, sidewinders,aim-120 etc.) and that they will go for a fighter that is capable of using weapons that are already in inventory… Also IIRC Aussies already declined offer to buy Grippen on basis that it is to light and has to short legs for Aussie environment…

As for opponents in the region Indonesia will probably purchase more Sukhois (and this time they will actually buy some weapons for them) but I don’t see them having more then one squadron of those fighters in near future... I don’t see any other threat in that region…
 

Cryptic

New Member
If they decide that they need replacement for F-111 Aussies will probably go for F-18F or F-15. There is no chance in hell that they will buy Russian fighter. You must remember that Aussies have quite big amount of US weapons in inventory (LBGs, JDAM, sidewinders,aim-120 etc.)

Objectively, I think you are right. No matter how cost effective in both performance and meeting realistic threat levels the advanced Sukhois are, Austalia will buy American due to political pressure.

I bet that Russian Engineers could redesign a few launch rails per aircraft for Sidewinders in a matter of months. Also, Israeli pods and Russian modifications could make the LBGs and JDAM work on Sukhois as well. The Sukhoi is the best option, even if it is not bought.
 

Chengdu J-10

Junior Member
I think that the only reason why Australians buy US product is to keep them happy, and continue to have a Australia-US cooperation and alliance. Though I personally think that US right now can barly protect itself, not to say protect other alliance nations. US influence around the world is dimming fast, in every area. (trade, military, control over resources, sports) The so called war on terroism, I'm begining to think that the actual terroist are the US in Iraq not the actually Iraq. Think about it the US are invading Iraq, causing havoc, killing innocent civilians caught in the cross fire, increased violence ever since the US arrived, further internal mess since the US have arrived. The only reason for that the US is in Iraq personally is not war on terror but moreso to make Iraq its ally or a neutral country opposite to what it was before. This might sound bias but this is what I think. The US is trying to influence most countries that are friends with China to side with them the US. Strategically US have alliance nations all surrounding China, strategic warfare play. Controlling all the natural resources to limit China growth and development. (this is true, ever since the US gained control of Iraq oil they have rejected China oil) Doing some research most of US battles are fought where rich natural resources are available. Iraq is the country with most oil. And now debates on war with Iran (second largest nation with oil), US wants to control this to, in order for their own needs and supressing China from catching up to them. Though war on Iran for the US won't be a push over, and finally will we see a more fair fight for the US. Previos wars for the US-Vietnam, Iraq. All ill equipped and obsolete, US knew they were more powerful. It has also appeared that the US always pick on the weaker one, which really ticks me off. Iraq have weapons of mass descruction lets invade them. China has weapons of mass descruction....well nothing happes. Because US is scared of China. Hope this post doesn't cause any fights or arguments or anything negative. Just a though
 

BLUEJACKET

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But, F-35 it was considered the lesser of the evils:
Why Australia Went With the F-35
by Harold C. Hutchison
December 4, 2005
The Royal Australian Air Force’s decision to go ahead with buying the F-35 might be surprising, but not when one looks at what the alternatives had been. The Australians had been considering ten options for the future of the RAAF. These options were a mixture of proven capability (like the F-15E and F-16), and the cutting edge (like the Eurofighter, F-22, and robotic warplanes, or UCAVs). Yet, not all of them made the cut. What is unique about the RAAF competition is the frank discussion of the pros and cons of the contenders that emerged. Usually, not a lot of information is released, either for the sake of the country doing the buying (in order to avoid tipping off potential opponents) and the companies involved (in order to preserve a chance at future sales by keeping competing aircraft firms from knowing weaknesses in another design).

Australia is planning to replace both its F-111s and F-18s with the F-35. The F-35 is a stealthy multi-role aircraft with a top speed of 1,900 kilometers per hour, and a combat radius of over 1,100 kilometers. The aircraft comes in at anywhere from $37 million (the U.S. Air Force’s version) to $48 million (the U.S. Navy’s carrier version). Why was the F-35, which is not yet in service, chosen over other aircraft, some of which have been proven in combat (like the F-15 and F-16), or which have had most of the bugs worked out (Rafale, Su-30MK, Gripen, F/A-18E/F)?

The answer is what Australia was looking for – they wanted a modern, multi-role fighter that could last a long time (the planned retirement date is 2040). They also wanted stealth, good sensors, and long range. Looking these requirements over helps explain why some planes did not make the cut.

The F-15 and F-16 were state of the art through the 1970s and 1980s, but fell behind the Rafale and Eurofighter, and are slated to be replaced with the F-22 and F-35, respectively. To an extent, the F-18E/F also fell victim, even though it had much in common with RAAF F-18s currently in service.

The Rafale had two problems. The biggest was interoperability. Australia and the United States have fought together in a number of major conflicts dating back to World War I. There is very little expectation that this will change, and Australia wants to simplify matters like logistics. What also plagued the Rafale, as well as the Gripen and Eurofighter were issue with stealth (not enough), and sensors (the small radomes raised concerns). The Gripen also failed on range.

The F-22 was one of the planes considered. Performance and logistics were not issues – cost was. The F-22 was coming in at $150 million a plane, and it was optimized for the air-to-air role, with the attack capability added on after many of the parameters were set. The most expensive variant of the F-35 comes in at $48 million. So, for the price of one F-22, one could get three F-35Cs or close to four F-35As (the variant Australia is purchasing). One F-22 can beat one F-35, but one F-22 would have a much difficult time beating three F-35Cs or four F-35As – and it cannot be in three or four places at once.

Two the competitors were never serious possibilities. The first was the Su-30MK, which was non-stealthy, had serious inter-operability issues, and would have been extremely controversial. In essence, there were some questions as to why it was even considered despite its range and powerful sensor suite. The other competitor quickly wiped out were unmanned air combat vehicles (UCAVs). The Australians figured that UCAVs would eventually supplement manned combat aircraft, but would not suffice as replacements.

The last aircraft standing was the F-35. While it is a paper airplane, it is well under way, and Australia will be able to get a version of the F-35 that will meet its requirements through 2040. Other countries will also be buying at least one variant of the F-35, including the United Kingdom, Norway, Turkey, and the Netherlands. The F-35 will likely be the F-16 of the early 21st century.
 

Fighter786

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That would be interesting. The PLAN would have to face the USN coming from the East, right down the middle of the Pacific Ocean, while the RAN pressed the attack by transiting through Indonesia and into the South China Sea. In that situation it might be a good idea for the PLAN to focus its resources on attacking the RAN forces coming north-it doesn't have much of a chance to defeat a major USN foce anyway, but it could definately take out a large RAN force. That would be a major propaganda and political victory, but it would probably be a strategic mistake.

I don't think Australia has the weapons (or the guts?) to go face PRC.

Just remember whenever the war over Taiwan happens (if at all considering how cunning chinese are), the PLAN will have serious toys in their hands. PLAN is building itself to counter american navy (not ship by ship but through anti-ship technologies). What will aussies bring that PLAN can't counter?

Off for my :coffee:
 

Scratch

Captain
Looks like the australian government seriously considers buying SuperHornets around 2009- 10 as an interim solution to fill the gap between F-111 retirement and F-35 aquisition. And probably to enhance future strike capabilites, since the JSF can't fill the F-111 role for sure.

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DEFENCE Minister Brendan Nelson intends to ram through a $3 billion purchase of 24 F/A-18F Super Hornet aircraft, amid concerns Australia may lack a fully deployable air combat capability early next decade.
 

Chengdu J-10

Junior Member
America is not letting China buy iraqi oil? :confused:
Well not fully but partially. US rejected China in purchasing large quantities of Iraqi oil, the US only allowed China to purchase small quantities but at an very expensive price. The US is trying to slow down China's growth and development as a nation. As the US is feeling that they are no longer becoming the leading nation in growth and development in the world anymore.
 

flyzies

Junior Member
Australia has scrapped the Seasprite helicopter project (finally!)

The federal government will cancel the troubled $1 billion Seasprite helicopter project, Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon announced today.

Mr Fitzgibbon said the decision was not taken easily but the new Labor government was left with little option.

The government launched a review of the project late last year, shortly after winning the November 24 election.

"After careful consideration of all the issues involved, the government has decided that it intends to cancel the project," Mr Fitzgibbon said in a statement.

"Discussions will be commenced immediately with the contractor in relation to the legal and financial arrangements to facilitate this."

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