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Michaelsinodef

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Unrelated but what is this Shilao podcast you guys already refer to? Can someone please drop a link? Thanks!
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It's in chinese as it's a podcast consisting of people from the Guancha news team (military commentators/journalists), they are pretty knowledgable when it comes to military matters, especially the PLA (and it's pretty say that they have insider sources within the PLA or know people who formerly were in the PLA).
 

latenlazy

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Yeah. Unfortunately, we have generally harbored much more negative, chauvinistic views towards unfamiliar nations and cultures.

Possessing colonial-era European cultural roots - which themselves grew in soil made from centuries of religious, class, ethnic, and nationalist in-group/out-group polarization and conflict - that were fertilized further through the "Indian Wars," and our nation's uncharacteristically kaleidoscopic ethnic demography, especially when compared to European nations. Those factors, and their influence on social, societal, educational, political, and other norms and standards, have molded us into a population far more sensitized to "in group" and "out group" traits than most other nations and culture groups, be they ethnic, class, occupational, religious, or national differences we may have.

Thus, when our citizens see portrayals of - for example - another nationality, or learn about that nation in our school system, or even when they hear a general characterization of their citizens, mischaracterized and laden with stereotypes or not - we are much more likely to internalize and construct our own mental image of those "out-groups" from all of those inaccurate depictions and impressions. Even when it's something demeaning, American citizens are generally far less likely to think critically about information pertaining to an "out-group," because the sheer fact that they *are* an "out-group," often blinds an individual to common sense, which is replaced by a notion of "well they're not like me, so I can't apply my own sense of what seems reasonable to them (even when one obviously ought to)." This manifested especially sharply in the 60s, during school integration, where white and black kids alike would often end up asking eachother ridiculous questions, like whether or not they would do commonplace things like use toothbrushes, eat simple and obvious types of food (stuff like apples), and other various "no duh" shouldn't-even-need-to-asks. That quite well depicts the level of "even though "they" may live literally a couple blocks from "us", work in the next building over from "us", be just as human as "us", need the same essentials as "us", and more - the fact that there's even a "them" and "us" to begin with, meant that "they"/the "out-group"/the "others"/the ones "not like us" may as well be aliens for all "we" know" that formed the foundation of our intercultural beliefs even up into the late 20th century.

It's that sorta crap that led to people asking you if you ate dogs, or came over to seek freedom, or if you're a communist. The deeply unfortunate inability to see beyond the stratifying traits, and to instead let all the misconceptions, stereotypes, incorrect depictions, etc. pile up and form the "knowledge" people think they have about new groups of people. While I'm sure it doesn't mean a whole lot, I do want to apologize on behalf of the midwits who pestered you with that nonsense.
I'm guessing you read Edward Said here lol.
 

latenlazy

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Nope, never heard of him/it (if that's the title of the book). Like I said, I detest politics nowadays, so I try to distance myself from it as much as possible. As such, if it's a politically-oriented book, I'm unlikely to have read it.
Nah it's academic lit. The guy who wrote the critical theory book on Orientalism. Though I guess maybe that can qualify as political.
 

drowingfish

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Nope, never heard of him/it (if that's the title of the book). Like I said, I detest politics nowadays, so I try to distance myself from it as much as possible. As such, if it's a politically-oriented book, I'm unlikely to have read it.
he pioneered the idea of orientalism, which argues essentially what you were saying in your previous post, a proclivity of describing people of non-european background as "other".
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Ah, I see. To be honest, while I'm of course familiar with it as a concept, I can't claim to be well read on any major specifics or critiques. Any of the positions I've echoed from those books are most likely just due to them being primarily a matter of common sense (which I find is what most aspects of this subject field boil down to). I'll see about giving it a read, I appreciate the reccomendation.
Common sense for people who are good at independent self formulated critical perspectives of their own social, cultural, and political context. Not so much for those who don't have that mode of thinking though. But Said is one of those essential reads if you're doing a Liberal Arts degree.
 
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