Ask anything Thread (Air Force)

[yungho]

The J-11 is descended from the original Su-27 "Flanker." More of an air to air fighter. The J-15 is a carrier version like the Su-33. The J-16 is a strike optimized version like the Su-30 or F-15E. Thus, greater emphasis on SEAD/DEAD and EW.

Yes, production wise, it looks like they're focused more on the J-16 out of these three platforms. In fact, the J-11 is a little dated by now and getting less attention/upgrades than newer models like J-10C, J-16 and J-20. Looks like the PLAAF is planning to replace the J-11's air to air capabilities with a high-low mix of J-20 and J-10C. Meanwhile, the J-16 will provided much improved strike capability.

What's the reasoning for the continued support of J-10C?

 

[banjex]

What's the reasoning for the continued support of J-10C?

It has better sensors and electronics than the J-11.

 

[AndrewS]

The J-11 is descended from the original Su-27 "Flanker." More of an air to air fighter. The J-15 is a carrier version like the Su-33. The J-16 is a strike optimized version like the Su-30 or F-15E. Thus, greater emphasis on SEAD/DEAD and EW.

Yes, production wise, it looks like they're focused more on the J-16 out of these three platforms. In fact, the J-11 is a little dated by now and getting less attention/upgrades than newer models like J-10C, J-16 and J-20. Looks like the PLAAF is planning to replace the J-11's air to air capabilities with a high-low mix of J-20 and J-10C. Meanwhile, the J-16 will provided much improved strike capability.

The J-16 can also act as a air-to-air missile truck, as it can keep up with the J-20.

 

[AndrewS]

What's the reasoning for the continued support of J-10C?

You don't always need long-range or lots of missiles
Think CAP and missions near the Chinese coast like Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam

A J-10C is about half the cost of a J-16
That is based on the 30 year costs below from the US

F-22: $150M procurement + $660M operating/maintenance over 30 years
F-15: $80M procurement + $330M operating/maintenance over 30 years
F-16: $60M procurement + $166M operating/maintenance over 30 years

 

[toroman]

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[Xizor]

Can J10S, J16D aircrafts be adopted for Command and Control operations ( Drones) like the J-20S ?

What are the drawbacks of using a non stealth platform unlike J-20 for this ( other than the obvious)?

 

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[Andy1974]

Can J10S, J16D aircrafts be adopted for Command and Control operations ( Drones) like the J-20S ?

What are the drawbacks of using a non stealth platform unlike J-20 for this ( other than the obvious)?

What are the advantages?

If you use stealth drones then the enemy thinks you are just a J16D, when in fact you are a full squadron/flight worth of power.

 

[Xizor]

What are the advantages?

If you use stealth drones then the enemy thinks you are just a J16D, when in fact you are a full squadron/flight worth of power.

Low LO optimized drones, ofcourse.

In the case of attrition, you can bet on these 4.5 Gen aircrafts to bring more drones to the battle. Can aid in the survivability of non stealth fighters by presenting more targets for the enemy to "prosecute".

So, why not?

 

[Andy1974]

Low LO optimized drones, ofcourse.

In the case of attrition, you can bet on these 4.5 Gen aircrafts to bring more drones to the battle. Can aid in the survivability of non stealth fighters by presenting more targets for the enemy to "prosecute".

So, why not?

I think the main reason would be human workload, the 2nd seat of a J-16D is busy with electronic attack. So, I think this will come but it will need some more automation for the 3 roles we can now imagine fighter “pilots” having; flying, controlling drones, and electronic attack.

The easiest tasks to automate, IMO, is the “flying”.

Maybe we will see a J-20SD or future J-16D with no human doing the actual flying and instead a WSO/Drone controller and Electronic warfare specialist in the 2 seats.