Impossible to Ban open source. Someone will just fork it, change a few weights and call it a new name.
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I’m pretty sure that you can also run it from Gulf States servers. Only issue is that Iran is targeting those…
Call it Trump-GPT and fleece the idiots with an IpO.
From the perspective of the companies that are likely advocating this in the US (X/Grok, OpenAI) and starting their smear campaigns, the good is that it preserves their revenue streams as it will force (at US-based) companies to continue to come to them to use the models and pay for it. It also keeps their stock price high.
The bad is that it makes it so that US models don't have to compete in the US as hard. In the longrun, that makes those companies lazy, less competitive and they fail in the market outside the US when they do have to compete. It also makes it hard for US researchers to get access to these models, either to test them or to use them for other areas (e.g. university level basic research in the sciences) where they might not have budget.
What it also does is tells the rest of the world the US models are not competitive and they could (again) try to block your access to it. So indirectly, it drives usage to the Chinese models.
They could make exceptions for researchers. After all they can still use Chinese open source models to improve their own.
Just any large businesses where most of the revenue would come from would be restricted. What I’m thinking might happen is that while ai companies get revenue, that’s being siphoned from every other business, which eventually become less competitive as ai chews their money and the rest of the world builds on cheaper ai that has the same performance. Then comes the question of whether or not the US can force Europe to follow suit. Restricting Chinese ai for either American or European ai.
If that’s true then you are saying over 99% of the world(outside China apparently) is stupid as well since they all lag behind the US technologically. lol. I think that’s a generalization and the kind of answer stereotype people make about countries . Since if that was true then much of the world is even more stupid except China apparently lol
Damn…that’s a longer time than I thought, looking at Chinas rapid advancement in chips. But almost 10 years for them to be able to meet up globally demand is about to far fetched in my opinion . I believe they can achieve that much earlier .
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No! That's an illogical conclusion. I'm saying they are behind the US because the US drains their talent using their greed by offering far superior financial compensation and residency a society of easy wealth built through trading American freely printed fiat paper money for real foreign goods, which is only possible through exploitation of the US-centric global finance order that America set up at its height of power post WWII.
In my opinion , there’s no doubt the US will ban Chinese models from US soil and might even extend that ban to other allied countries . The US seees Chinas rise as a threat the more China advances so no bets are off the table. So you shouldn’t be surprise when this happens , since AI is so important for the future Industrial Revolution taking place and will shape the next great power politics .
Agree, Given the size of the frontier models only companies from medium size can afford the hardware to run these models without heavy quantization, they could regulate US companies from serving these models. Personally I think will backfire badly.
First maybe companies will abide by the rules but normal users are likely to move to use these services outside the US, this is likely to damage the revenue of local inference companies.
Second and ironically this will do more damage to US open source AI efforts, because there will be less incentives to release open weight models and also create a regulatory environment were is dangerous to release open AI models. And even if for some miracle you manage to release a open weight model IT WILL NEVER BE even close to a frontier mode because is pretty clear that stooges Dario Amodei and Sam Altman will never let that happen.
Third and Finally will be likely be the final nail in the coffin of the AI bubble, you see Sam Altman and Dario Amodei they like the smell of their own biologically produced gases and the only reason people are not paying a fortune to access to a GPT 4 level LLM because the price pressure of Chinese AI labs. Little they know, I think, this pressure is contributing to a delay in the popping of the AI bubble that could produce capital destruction even bigger than the dotcom bubble, I think is going to pop anyways, but Chinese labs are keeping the flames from extinguish by keeping prices affordable and people interested in AI.