Artificial Intelligence thread

Michael90

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This is just an isolated case; employers can still find other reasons to dismiss employees.
Yes, I dont understand what the government is trying to do here . Unfortunately , as i said before , the only thing constant in life is change, you can't find against change. So employers and companies will always find a way to adapt to change or get left behind and become just a dust of history like many others who failed to adapt fast enough. Plus nowadays you have no time to relax even when you are a leader in an industry since technology moves so fast. So you have adapt quickly to new technology, implement them fast enough to be more efficient and increase your bottom line and hence be more effective . If there are tasks that AI can easily replace then there is zero chance even Xi Jinping can stop that, companies will go ahead to replace you one way or another. So instead of lamenting about your situation it's better to be proactive and look for sectors and areas in which you will be more in demand/needed around AI. So need to upgrade yourself woth new training and skills to better adopt this change . If you get complacent in your position thinking things will always remainnthe same andnrhe government has your back, then you have set yourself up for failure .
So this rule is commendable but its useless in the grand scheme of things. The only way i see it working for real in China as a whole is if the country goes back to be run ewclusively bybstate owned companies and procate companies/business become forbidden again. That way all state owned companies will follow government directives and nobody will be replaced by AI even when it is needed. But the china of today it wont work. You can't force me not to replace an employee who i think i have a better system innplace that does his job 5 times faster and cheaper . Makes no sense
 

siegecrossbow

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Yes, I dont understand what the government is trying to do here . Unfortunately , as i said before , the only thing constant in life is change, you can't find against change. So employers and companies will always find a way to adapt to change or get left behind and become just a dust of history like many others who failed to adapt fast enough. Plus nowadays you have no time to relax even when you are a leader in an industry since technology moves so fast. So you have adapt quickly to new technology, implement them fast enough to be more efficient and increase your bottom line and hence be more effective . If there are tasks that AI can easily replace then there is zero chance even Xi Jinping can stop that, companies will go ahead to replace you one way or another. So instead of lamenting about your situation it's better to be proactive and look for sectors and areas in which you will be more in demand/needed around AI. So need to upgrade yourself woth new training and skills to better adopt this change . If you get complacent in your position thinking things will always remainnthe same andnrhe government has your back, then you have set yourself up for failure .
So this rule is commendable but its useless in the grand scheme of things. The only way i see it working for real in China as a whole is if the country goes back to be run ewclusively bybstate owned companies and procate companies/business become forbidden again. That way all state owned companies will follow government directives and nobody will be replaced by AI even when it is needed. But the china of today it wont work. You can't force me not to replace an employee who i think i have a better system innplace that does his job 5 times faster and cheaper . Makes no sense
This doesn’t mean that the company shouldn’t try respelling the employees before letting them go.
 

tokenanalyst

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Claude and OpenAI, in other for these companies to keep their competitive intelligence advantage, their models need to be dense multi-trillion parameter models as soon they move to MoE models they lose intelligence edge against Chinese Models who are cheaper. But these huge dense models are becoming too costly to run especially on long horizontal agentic tasks that required "thinking".

If the cost of tokens keep rising and these massive models can´t get smart enough to solve task with less tokens, it will be difficult to justify spending on these dense models.

I lot of companies are going to move to combination of cheaper Chinese models, local models and use the big dense models for the most especial task.
 

iewgnem

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I mean Chinese models are free and open source, obviously Anthropic would download the whole thing and distill them, and that's perfectly fine (although it is funny they missed it in their system prompt) . At end of the day it's not the data but the architecture that they're struggling with, it takes much less time to distill a Chinese model than it takes for Chinese researchers to publish the latest advanced and then for Anthropic to try integrating it into their system.
 

iewgnem

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Claude and OpenAI, in other for these companies to keep their competitive intelligence advantage, their models need to be dense multi-trillion parameter models as soon they move to MoE models they lose intelligence edge against Chinese Models who are cheaper. But these huge dense models are becoming too costly to run especially on long horizontal agentic tasks that required "thinking".

If the cost of tokens keep rising and these massive models can´t get smart enough to solve task with less tokens, it will be difficult to justify spending on these dense models.

I lot of companies are going to move to combination of cheaper Chinese models, local models and use the big dense models for the most especial task.
Anthropic will be the death of what remains of US industry.
The equal $ productivity gap between Claude users and Chinese model users is so big, if you don't switch, you're just choosing if you want to die from AI spending or die from being unable to keep up with companies that use Chinese model.
 

tokenanalyst

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Anthropic will be the death of what remains of US industry.
The equal $ productivity gap between Claude users and Chinese model users is so big, if you don't switch, you're just choosing if you want to die from AI spending or die from being unable to keep up with companies that use Chinese model.
The spending is becoming harder to justify by the day. Or either they move to MoE that will downgrade the "IQ" of their models or hardware get cheaper (I don´t see NVidia willing to sacrifice margins) or they lose to cheaper models.
 
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