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HighGround

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So I gave Kimi K2 Thinking a try, in terms of writing fiction, its way better than anything else out there right now... and its free and open-weight/open-source.... Seems like China is putting a lot of pressure on OpenAI and Scam Altman
I agree it's good, but I don't think it's quite as good as Anthropic's Claude Opus. Granted, Claude is super overpriced, but still. I haven't found anything that matches its Opus' prose.
 

9dashline

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I agree it's good, but I don't think it's quite as good as Anthropic's Claude Opus. Granted, Claude is super overpriced, but still. I haven't found anything that matches its Opus' prose.
Its the 2nd smartest AI in the world, just under GPT5 High, and above Gemini, Claude, Grok, Qwen, Llama, etc etc

The important thing is its open-weight with permissive license

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This will put massive downward price pressure on Western AI, esp the API tax.. popping the US AI bubble

(Just 2 years ago most thought China would never catch up, and Marco was yapping in Congress how Llama open source was dangerous because China was copying facebook....now llama is dead last.. heck many in this forum thought China would at best be a fast follower but always lag behind)

And China still has the REE and TW cards to play... not looking good for USA

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9dashline

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I agree it's good, but I don't think it's quite as good as Anthropic's Claude Opus. Granted, Claude is super overpriced, but still. I haven't found anything that matches its Opus' prose.
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Actually even the non-thinking version of Kimi K2 benchmarked better at creative writing than Claude 4.5 and Opus
 

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Its the 2nd smartest AI in the world, just under GPT5 High, and above Gemini, Claude, Grok, Qwen, Llama, etc etc

The important thing is its open-weight with permissive license

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This will put massive downward price pressure on Western AI, esp the API tax.. popping the US AI bubble

(Just 2 years ago most thought China would never catch up, and Marco was yapping in Congress how Llama open source was dangerous because China was copying facebook....now llama is dead last.. heck many in this forum thought China would at best be a fast follower but always lag behind)

And China still has the REE and TW cards to play... not looking good for USA

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Wow….i am surprised Deepseek and Qwen (who should be the leaders in China) are so far behind even KIMI and minimax. The interesting thing is that the battle is basically between the US and China today and in the future .
By the way, is there any Chinese model which is paid/closed source apart from zhipu AI?
 
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Michael90

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Jensen at it again. He must really, REALLY hate that NVDA is now locked out of the China AI market:


Kimi K2 training costs were pocket change:

I know, the guy doesn’t stop focusing on China doubling down on LOCAL AI investments , while berating the US from stopping Nvidia from selling her advanced chips in China and dominating the Chinese market. Chinese authorities should actually thank the US administration, because it would have been so hard/if not impossible for them to justify banning Nvidia for no good reason or forcing their companies from focusing on local AI Chips/solutions . So the US government bans and wide sanctions on Chinese tech companies has been a boon for the CCP policy of self sufficiency in this critical industries. Since even the most western oriented Chinese private company now have no choice but to rely on local/domestic products for their services, since they have sanctions from the US impressing them for fully relying on US tech nowadays. Long term it’s good for China though short term it might cause some delays and issues but once Chinese companies reach parity it will be game over .
 

tokenanalyst

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When the AI bubble burst the only thing left will be Chinese AI startups and labs, that is way Jensen is worry because if China develop their own ecosystem it will be a big problem for Nvidia.
Well, I guess they will have to crawl back to gaming and pander teenagers to buy their GPUs again.
 

tokenanalyst

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When the AI bubble burst the only thing left will be Chinese AI startups and labs, that is way Jensen is worry because if China develop their own ecosystem it will be a big problem for Nvidia.
Well, I guess they will have to crawl back to gaming and pander teenagers to buy their GPUs again.
Or thinking again they could sell GPUs for inference by adopting Chinese AI frameworks.
 

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