Artificial Intelligence thread

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

And I believe AGI won't arrive this decade. Just my 2 layman's cents.

 

[gabriel.shenton]

OpenAI plans to release gpt5 in november, which they claim is AGI level.

Apple just signed a deal with them to bake openai into every Apple device at os layer

There may not even be a few years left for China to act.... its clear US at the very highest level is pushing this like there is no tomorrow... a sort of Manhattan and Apollo project combined...

Currently America is still deindustrialized, once AI takes over, it will reindustrialize rapidly... this is beyond just chips and EUV but broadly all supply chains

China needs to rugpull on USD, and supply chains in general and tsmc in specific etc etc before that point of inflection can be allowed to happen

I have a question, isn't "AI" going to reduce employment? how is this gonna work in the West where the politicians depend on voters to hold onto power?

People in the West should hate "AI/Automation" because the tech replaces workers. how is "AI" gonna be different?

 

[bebops]

OpenAI plans to release gpt5 in november, which they claim is AGI level.

Apple just signed a deal with them to bake openai into every Apple device at os layer

There may not even be a few years left for China to act.... its clear US at the very highest level is pushing this like there is no tomorrow... a sort of Manhattan and Apollo project combined...

Currently America is still deindustrialized, once AI takes over, it will reindustrialize rapidly... this is beyond just chips and EUV but broadly all supply chains

China needs to rugpull on USD, and supply chains in general and tsmc in specific etc etc before that point of inflection can be allowed to happen

Not only Ai gpt, but the amount of new ai military platforms that U.S is testing are scary too. Every 1-2 months, there seemed to be a new military drone invented or under testing.

What is really hindering China's ability right now? Is it the lack of EUV chips? They need EUV chips to create the best ai commercial and military platforms?

 

[ougoah]

GPT5 being general intelligence? Greatest joke I've heard all year.

Have people even bothered using all the "amazing" LLMs ? They all suck horrendously. Wrong answers, codes shithouse, makes stuff up, has very little ability to truly understand human intention and communication patterns and even in cases where it does after prompting for the nth time in "the correct way", it produces jargon or fails to understand the task it is assigned. You will realise after doing the grunt work yourself.

At an even geometric rate of progress with these GPTs, general intelligence won't be a thing even with GPT 20 and that's assuming true general intelligence is in fact some magical emergent property from ever expanding sets of data/parameters. I rate current LLMs as 2000s chatbots on steroids more than representing any iota of true intelligence.

 

[Overbom]

GPT5 being general intelligence? Greatest joke I've heard all year.

Have people even bothered using all the "amazing" LLMs ? They all suck horrendously. Wrong answers, codes shithouse, makes stuff up, has very little ability to truly understand human intention and communication patterns and even in cases where it does after prompting for the nth time in "the correct way", it produces jargon or fails to understand the task it is assigned. You will realise after doing the grunt work yourself.

At an even geometric rate of progress with these GPTs, general intelligence won't be a thing even with GPT 20 and that's assuming true general intelligence is in fact some magical emergent property from ever expanding sets of data/parameters. I rate current LLMs as 2000s chatbots on steroids more than representing any iota of true intelligence.

Do most white collar jobs truly require intelligence though?

 

[ougoah]

Do most white collar jobs truly require intelligence though?

Depends but most do require a modicum of intelligence the LLMs are many years if not decades away from.

General intelligence means ability to perform all jobs. LLMs are not able to perform 1% of a regular white collar job. In fact I've found with myself and colleagues/friends at more than one workplace conclude any effort to integrate some LLM into assisting beyond the most mundane basic reading and writing tasks to be a waste of time. In fact, LLM writing is easily exposed in professional context. It applies language inappropriate to the specific field. You can't ask the LLM to write this as a ... would do. Real general intelligence can.

 

[Overbom]

Depends but most do require a modicum of intelligence the LLMs are many years if not decades away from.

General intelligence means ability to perform all jobs. LLMs are not able to perform 1% of a regular white collar job. In fact I've found with myself and colleagues/friends at more than one workplace conclude any effort to integrate some LLM into assisting beyond the most mundane basic reading and writing tasks to be a waste of time. In fact, LLM writing is easily exposed in professional context. It applies language inappropriate to the specific field. You can't ask the LLM to write this as a ... would do. Real general intelligence can.

I can tell you right now as we speak, in the company where I work for, one person's job position has been eliminated by LLM. Was doing document processing.

For the edge cases where something goes wrong, it is being handled by another existing office employee

That's not "many years if not decades away from". That's now

 

[henrik]

Not only Ai gpt, but the amount of new ai military platforms that U.S is testing are scary too. Every 1-2 months, there seemed to be a new military drone invented or under testing.

What is really hindering China's ability right now? Is it the lack of EUV chips? They need EUV chips to create the best ai commercial and military platforms?

China has all the appropriate AI chips that they need right now.

 

[tphuang]

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Implications of this are huge, imho this is US plan to extent the dollar hegemony forever...

(Musk is CIA from the getgo he is just putting on a fake show, so read beyond the headlines)

Overnight half the world will be using US based openai AI.... every apple device and iphone will have the latest chatgpt (as API) baked into the iOS....

Each and every one of these devices will be spying for Uncle Sam, and worst yet, this one move will ensure as cloud intelligence gets baked into every layer of every product and every service, that the world will be beholden to US AI services and this AI ecosystem will be gate kept on condition of using US dollar....

First gold, then oil, now AI is the final frontier of USD extension.....

With Apple and Nvidia as hardware, Google Play and Andriod, and Azure and OpenAI as the cloud and intelligence layer, this is the US plan to turn the tide around and make good on its PNAC plan that it enacted at the turn the century circa 2001

The anti Huawei campaign, the TSMC thing and EUV ban, its all come down to this moment. I feel like US is going all in and even jumping the shark on AI because its America's last real hope and best objective bet at beating China in the great power competition

Just like with Nvidia GPU once gamers jumped to DLSS and game devs baked that into their games, there was no going back and AMD cards never held a chance, the DLSS API held everyone captive... likewise US is attempting in one fell swoop to do the same but with openai and azure as the AI and cloud layer, getting the rest of the world onto its platform so it can start collecting usury tax yet once again, all spearheaded by the move of Apple baking in openai to its iOS....

Perhaps China's best bet is to rug pull while it still can and do AR sooner rather than later, maybe before end of 2024

This is the type of posts that I was trying to get rid of from semiconductor thread and is apparently going to end up in AI thread now. I don't even know what to respond to here really because it's so filled with conspiracy theories and self pity

 

[tphuang]

truly amazing explanation. The current "AI" gold rush looks really strange, language models do not have intelligence, the speed and strength of the AI push is so strong, one might suspect deep state involvement.

now everything makes sense, "AI" ecosystem will be enhancing USD for the next few decades, the people who came up with the reserve currency system was the true genius, the best business model in the world, collecting taxes constantly day in and day out.

Without EUV, it's hard for China to catch up as time pass by.

you actually do not need EUV to produce enough computation power needed to have competitive AI clusters.

I have already discussed before why that is.

Not only Ai gpt, but the amount of new ai military platforms that U.S is testing are scary too. Every 1-2 months, there seemed to be a new military drone invented or under testing.

What is really hindering China's ability right now? Is it the lack of EUV chips? They need EUV chips to create the best ai commercial and military platforms?

What new ai military platform is America testing that's so scary to you? Which you are not seeing out of China?