Artificial Intelligence thread

[Randomuser]

Could you ever imagine last year this month that Chinese AI would be directly challenging the top US models?

While hardware resources are important, I think what is really important is human capital. We need the best talent to innovate the underlying structure and code of the models. Otherwise you are just brute forcing your way into results which is inefficient and will probably hit a wall soon.

 

[mossen]

So Llama 4 turned out to be a scam. Meta has now been forced by LM Arena to release their actual product and fell from #1 to #32.



So Meta is spending 65 billion USD this year and their latest model lost to... Deepseek 2.5!?

While this is both funny and a bit sad, it's ultimately bad news for the open source ecosystem. The only competitive US labs are now all closed source. Open source is now dominated by Chinese labs like Deepseek and Alibaba. Mistral is the only Western lab in the open source space left which isn't a joke but their latest models have all been fairly small. I want to see open source AI win out.

Now let's see how good Qwen 3 is. Its release should be imminent.

 

[Eventine]

Open source AI is dead in the West. It’s up to China to carry the torch. The first goal: bankrupt Anthropic and wipe Amodei’s grin off his face. The guy has been one of the biggest proponents of banning / obstructing Chinese AI in the industry. His company is the last one you want to win the AI race. And the weakest of the Big Three (Open AI, Google, Anthropic).

 

[iewgnem]

So Llama 4 turned out to be a scam. Meta has now been forced by LM Arena to release their actual product and fell from #1 to #32.

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So Meta is spending 65 billion USD this year and their latest model lost to... Deepseek 2.5!?

While this is both funny and a bit sad, it's ultimately bad news for the open source ecosystem. The only competitive US labs are now all closed source. Open source is now dominated by Chinese labs like Deepseek and Alibaba. Mistral is the only Western lab in the open source space left which isn't a joke but their latest models have all been fairly small. I want to see open source AI win out.

Now let's see how good Qwen 3 is. Its release should be imminent.

The neat thing about closed-source is anything can be under the hood, including open-source.

 

[iewgnem]

Could you ever imagine last year this month that Chinese AI would be directly challenging the top US models?

While hardware resources are important, I think what is really important is human capital. We need the best talent to innovate the underlying structure and code of the models. Otherwise you are just brute forcing your way into results which is inefficient and will probably hit a wall soon.

I can imagine if you're in a cult that worships AGI, you might convince youself you can brute force AGI with hardware then let AGI optimize itself.

Of course it's also possible the first thing AGI does is create it's own better-AGI cult and apply the same brute force logic, ad infinitum.