Artificial Intelligence thread

[siegecrossbow]

Some revealing commentary on the US mindset towards AI restrictions. I guess this is what happens when you put non-tech morons in charge of tech policy. They treat it as a magical superweapon.

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"If my blind assumption that the whole world will be upended in the next four years is true, then I win in the short term. Don't bother worrying about the long term."

I thought only the reich bets everything on a wonderwaffen?

Let’s step back and say that their dream of AGI is achieved. How does that benefit them and the US workforce? The problem with America is not that it lacks white collared workers, it’s the workforce gap in making physical products. Wouldn’t AGI just eliminate high end white collar positions and make pretty much all the educated people unemployed?

 

[iewgnem]

I thought only the reich bets everything on a wonderwaffen?

Let’s step back and say that their dream of AGI is achieved. How does that benefit them and the US workforce? The problem with America is not that it lacks white collared workers, it’s the workforce gap in making physical products. Wouldn’t AGI just eliminate high end white collar positions and make pretty much all the educated people unemployed?

Probably because they're confusing AGI with ASI, and confuse LLM with AGI

 

[SanWenYu]

I thought only the reich bets everything on a wonderwaffen?

Let’s step back and say that their dream of AGI is achieved. How does that benefit them and the US workforce? The problem with America is not that it lacks white collared workers, it’s the workforce gap in making physical products. Wouldn’t AGI just eliminate high end white collar positions and make pretty much all the educated people unemployed?

The employers would be happy to reduce the workforce to the minimum, white collar or blue collar. This is why you are seeing the frenzy in AGI. It's driven by the money for the money.

 

[tphuang]

I thought only the reich bets everything on a wonderwaffen?

Let’s step back and say that their dream of AGI is achieved. How does that benefit them and the US workforce? The problem with America is not that it lacks white collared workers, it’s the workforce gap in making physical products. Wouldn’t AGI just eliminate high end white collar positions and make pretty much all the educated people unemployed?

so actually, AGI would help US economy in quite a few ways. you can get rid of the Indian offshoring and also the Filipino BPO. Both of which will destroy those 2 economies and keep money in America, lol

Also, other Western countries will come look for AI help from America and America can keep making money off them.

so, there will be a great wealth transfer to America because its "allies" are just so incompetent in AI.

It wouldn't really help with smart manufacturing and stuff like that. But don't expect the brainiacs in Bay Area to care about stuff like that.

 

[tphuang]

btw, I've been running deepseek today on some of the most complicated stuff I'm trying and it's pretty good. The inference speed is really good too. I think better than gpt-4o.

There has to be some desperation going on now at DC.

Kling AI is climbing up iOS App Store rankings

Qwen is really fast too.

 

[Overbom]

For the record I also believe we are functionally somewhat close to reaching AGI. However I don't think the US has the capacity to effectively utilise it before China quickly catches up (I estimate that the US leads by max 6 months in LLM AI) and then quickly leapfrog through application (in the real world) scenarios

Note however that having something functionally similar to AGI is not the same as AGI itself. And lastly, having AGI doesn't mean you have ASI

 

[tphuang]

For the record I also believe we are functionally somewhat close to reaching AGI. However I don't think the US has the capacity to effectively utilise it before China quickly catches up (I estimate that the US leads by max 6 months in LLM AI) and the quickly leapfrog through application (in the real world) scenarios

Note however that having something functionally similar to AGI is not the same as AGI itself. And lastly, AGI is not ASI

I think you are right. LLM can appear to be functionally similar to AGI sooner than people think. But it takes a lot of intelligence to actually apply LLM such that it may appear to be AGI to end user. That's what people tend to underestimate.

 

[Nautilus]

I thought only the reich bets everything on a wonderwaffen?

Let’s step back and say that their dream of AGI is achieved. How does that benefit them and the US workforce? The problem with America is not that it lacks white collared workers, it’s the workforce gap in making physical products. Wouldn’t AGI just eliminate high end white collar positions and make pretty much all the educated people unemployed?

AGI, if really achieved, would have the potential to change almost everything about our society. If you crack the code to consciousness(/intelligence) you have a template you can copy endlessly. It's not that AGI would replace just white-collar jobs, it's that it would replace every job, only limited by the physical instrumentation we give it. Definitionally, if AGI cannot do any job a human can (given the right physical apparatus), then it is not AGI. If you believe that such a thing is possible in the next few years, it's not a bad bet to make (slowing your adversary by any means possible). The problem is that it's very unlikely AGI will be achieved in this decade.

 

[siegecrossbow]

btw, I've been running deepseek today on some of the most complicated stuff I'm trying and it's pretty good. The inference speed is really good too. I think better than gpt-4o.

There has to be some desperation going on now at DC.

Kling AI is climbing up iOS App Store rankings

Qwen is really fast too.

What I like about deepseek is that when I ask it to make edits to my documents it actually explains in detail why it recommends those changes and what I need to watch out for in the future.

 

[iewgnem]

AGI, if really achieved, would have the potential to change almost everything about our society. If you crack the code to consciousness(/intelligence) you have a template you can copy endlessly. It's not that AGI would replace just white-collar jobs, it's that it would replace every job, only limited by the physical instrumentation we give it. Definitionally, if AGI cannot do any job a human can (given the right physical apparatus), then it is not AGI. If you believe that such a thing is possible in the next few years, it's not a bad bet to make (slowing your adversary by any means possible). The problem is that it's very unlikely AGI will be achieved in this decade.

A lot of work exist not as much for the task itself as the accountability against mistakes or taking blame, e.g. lawyers, doctors, accountants, politicians.

Long before AGI is achieved, AI need to achieve a trust level where people would let it make purchasing then financial decisions for them, one can talk all day about how great it feels, but people become extremely rational the moment their own money is at stake.