APC or IFV

Miragedriver

Brigadier
.......seriously I swear the designer of this and the BMP3 had his 10 year old standing next to him yelling for more gunz.......

Classic line…I have that visual in my head now and can’t get rid of it.

The fire power on the BMP-3 turret is impressive, but as Forbin mentioned, the Russian vehicles tend to be lighter armored using the assumption that it is: cheaper to manufacture; it will not last long in a conflict (most APC taken out by ATGW) and since quantity has a quality of its own you can go in guns blazing and “hopefully” overwhelm your enemy.


Back to bottling my Grenache
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The BMP3 is a glass Cannon. it can dish it out but one shot and it shatters. It's got unmatched fire power but lots of compromises. If I was to categorize the BMP3 I really don't think it's a IFV in the same way that a M2 Bradley or the BMP1 and BMP2 were. I rather think it should be classified in a separate category a Cavalry Fighting vehicle. M3 Bradley is a CAV it's a fighting vehicle that can be based off a common IFV chassis but intended to fight with infantry under cover the infantry is reduced and used more for scouting the infantry being observers and infantry space used for weapons. Where M2 Bradley is meant to bring infantry to the fight and then deploy them. CAV is meant more to use Infantry as part of the fighting system of the Vehicle. If you look at the weapons load of the BMP3 it's packing 2 PKT MG's that have to be manned by infantry.
Now Army Reco, Navy Reco's Collage Roommate posted a set of specs for the Kurganets 25 and if you look at that vehicles specs It's a very western style comparable to upgunned M2A2 or the PLA ZBD.
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Black Shark

Junior Member
Classic line…I have that visual in my head now and can’t get rid of it.

The fire power on the BMP-3 turret is impressive, but as Forbin mentioned, the Russian vehicles tend to be lighter armored using the assumption that it is: cheaper to manufacture; it will not last long in a conflict (most APC taken out by ATGW) and since quantity has a quality of its own you can go in guns blazing and “hopefully” overwhelm your enemy.


Back to bottling my Grenache
BMP-3 is not lighter because of cheaper manufacture, actually quite opposite in comperision with similiar counterparts of foreign countries, it is lighter because russia established the mechanized troops doctrine of fast and easy deployment by air, sea and land of such forces and for that they need to be light enough to be amphibious which almost non foreign IFV has, to be light enough to fit more than one in cargo transporter and have capability to be airdroppable similiar to BMD's with not many preperations and not to specialized measurements like rocket parachutes that are initiated 5 m above ground to ensure a "soft" landing.
The BMP-2 already is very well protected with addaptive armor, protecting it from 30x165mm API rounds at point blank ranges from sides and without armor from front, too.
Here video of Addaptive ERA Kontakt-5 special made for BMP's, protecting them from 30mm API rounds and not initiating detonation of ERA for such calibres.
At 04.55

This solution is made to ensure the doctrine is not undermined by over sized and weighted IFV's which comprimise its usefullness.
 

shen

Senior Member
What I don't get about BMP-3 is the designer's choice of rear engine for an IFV and its weird infantry compartment. A series of photos at the site illustrates the problem.
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So to exit the vehicle, the infantrymen have to get through two narrow passages OVER the engine deck. Note the soldiers in those photos are lightly equipped, imagining having to do that with ammo, radios, rocket launcher on your back.
 
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