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IDonT said:

So is the US!
You are forgetting that the US has more nukes than the rest of the world. It can flatten every inch of China 10xover.

Anyway, we are going off topic.

China has a no first use policy regarding nukes. So there will be no nukes used against a carrier group.

Inteestingly, the US has not agreed the no first use policy on nukes.

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sure, US can flatten China 10xover, but it won't, because then the countries around China would get blown over too. You think US is willing to jeopardize 1/4 of its population for Taiwan? China is willing to jeopardize 75% of its population for Taiwan.

tphuang said:

sure, US can flatten China 10xover, but it won't, because then the countries around China would get blown over too. You think US is willing to jeopardize 1/4 of its population for Taiwan? China is willing to jeopardize 75% of its population for Taiwan.

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Don't be so sure about that. If that is the case then PRC leadership is irresponsible.

of course US don't have a no first use nuke policy, they are actually talking about using nukes on countries without nukes but with potential to get nukes ie iran, NK. that's just irresponsible and ignorant.

PiSigma said:

of course US don't have a no first use nuke policy, they are actually talking about using nukes on countries without nukes but with potential to get nukes ie iran, NK. that's just irresponsible and ignorant.

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NK does have nukes.

PiSigma said:

of course US don't have a no first use nuke policy, they are actually talking about using nukes on countries without nukes but with potential to get nukes ie iran, NK. that's just irresponsible and ignorant.

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No its called bullying.

That's why the US is determined to get a ballistic missile defence sheild. So it can nuke anyone with impunity.

Remember there are two types of western civilization
1.) The passive, socialist, utilitarian, welfare state of Europe
2.) The militaristic, social darwinist, and conservative of the United States.

PiSigma said:

of course US don't have a no first use nuke policy, they are actually talking about using nukes on countries without nukes but with potential to get nukes ie iran, NK. that's just irresponsible and ignorant.

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The United States has a reciprocal nuclear warhead use policy. We will not shoot you first, in the hopes that you aren't dummy enough to do it. If you hit us with nukes, however, those precision surgical strikes we've been doing to Iraq and Afghanistan will go the way of the dodo, giving way to total destruction.

Neko said:

The United States has a reciprocal nuclear warhead use policy. We will not shoot you first, in the hopes that you aren't dummy enough to do it. If you hit us with nukes, however, those precision surgical strikes we've been doing to Iraq and Afghanistan will go the way of the dodo, giving way to total destruction.

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You fellows can post all you want about the US & PRC using nukes. The bottom line is that Neko is 100% correct. To quote that great American Ric Flair..""To be the man..you gotta beat the man""... If any nation or force used nukes on the USA or it's armed forces they would most certianly would face total and complete inalation. Period. The deserts would be turned to glass.

Neko is a sub sailor. Trust us... he knows of what he post.

So in effect their would be no real winners. I do not want to see any sort of nuclear confrontation between the US and PRC.

So gents...Getting back to the discussion. Do any of you think a USN CVN/CV could be sunk with conventional weapons? If so how? I will be happy to dispute any claims of sinking.

To get back into topic, lets put in 3 scenarios.

Lets answer these 3 questions and put them into a scenario:

1.) Can the PLAN sink a Carrier groups escorts only?
2.) Can the PLAN sink a carrier with out escorts?
3.) Can the PLAN sink a carrier battle group as a whole?

Scenario 1: (easiest)

A USN surface strike group composed of 1 Tico cruiser, 3 Burkes, and 2 LA subs is at 400 miles from the Chinese coast. It is at Emcom Restricted and is supported via data link from an E-3 off Okinawa. PLAN knows that this group is somewhere in the vicinity, but does not know where it is exactly.
How would you do to deal with this threat?

Scenario 2: (medium)

A USN carrier (USS Kitty Hawk) is sailing north towards Japan at 400 miles from the Chinese Coast to rendevous with its escorts as war broke started. The carrier itself is at EMCOM restricted and has 2 E-2 AEW up in the air. The carrier captain has had half of his airgroup in the air at 3 different intervals. The outer group composed of 1 Squadron of super hornets as at 300 miles from the carrier, the mid group composed of another squadron of super hornets at 200 miles from carrier, and the inner group composed of 1 squadron of regular hornets at 100 miles from carrier group. The airwing is supported by EA-6B prowlers ELINT, buddy refueling, and 1 squadron ready to launch for emergency. PLAN knows that this group is somewhere in the vicinity, but does not know where it is exactly. How would you do to deal with this threat?

Scenario 3 (hardest)

A USN carrier strike group composed of 1 Carrier, 1 Tico cruiser, 3 Burkes, and 2 LA subs is at 400 miles from the Chinese coast. It is at Emcom Restricted and has 2 E-2 AEW up in the air. The carrier captain has had half of his airgroup in the air at 3 different intervals. The outer group composed of 1 Squadron of super hornets as at 300 miles from the carrier, the mid group composed of another squadron of super hornets at 200 miles from carrier, and the inner group composed of 1 squadron of regular hornets at 100 miles from carrier group. The airwing is supported by EA-6B prowlers ELINT, buddy refueling, and 1 squadron ready to launch for emergency.
PLAN knows that this group is somewhere in the vicinity, but does not know where it is exactly. How would you do to deal with this threat?

Well guys, its up tp you....
USe all PLAN assets that are currently available and no nukes allowed.

well i'm pretty sure the PLAN will not mass all it's fleets into one area to counter carriers, it must leave SOME at their original headquaters to keep watch?

the plan dosn;t even need alot of large ships, small facs and subs do just fine?

how would china not know the area of the fleet? they have sattelites and mainland radar and patrol planes.