FriedRiceNSpice
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BrotherofSnake said:
Yes it would. I don't exactly want to die, so lets hope that China-US relations stay pleasant the next few years.
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Yes it would. I don't exactly want to die, so lets hope that China-US relations stay pleasant the next few years.
Don't you realize that conventional/nuclear explosive is the only clear treshold? So let someone use a 0.1 kiloton nuke, sure, its weak, its 'nothing'. But then the enemy counters that with a 0.2, and it goes on back and forth, 0.3, 0.5. 0.9, 2, 5, 20, before you know it youre using stuff stronger than what was used on nagasaki.
Nuclear weapons simply must not be used. It's too dangerous, even the weakest one can turn a war into a whole new ballgame. What's currently worrying me most is news about possible change in US nuclear doctrine, allowing their field commanders to use tactical nukes even against overwhelming conventional force that threatens them. That'd be one step in a very wrong direction.
Nuclear weapons simply must not be used. It's too dangerous, even the weakest one can turn a war into a whole new ballgame. What's currently worrying me most is news about possible change in US nuclear doctrine, allowing their field commanders to use tactical nukes even against overwhelming conventional force that threatens them. That'd be one step in a very wrong direction.
tphuang said:
Is 094 out in service yet?
What is China's early warning detection system like? Can they detect the incoming missiles as soon as they reach the silos? If not.. then the first time they know that they are under attack is when a nuke is detonated over Shanghai.
1.) US ballistic missiles are very accurate. The first strike will target military targets, missile silos, and Command and control areas, making it impossible for the leadership to issue the fire order to the 094..
2.) Is the 094 on patrol all the time? If not then their is a gap in China's 2nd strike capability.
3.) In a war, you bet that the 094 will have at least 1 Seawolf class sub on its tail ready to blow it out of the water. PLAN's nuke boats are not exactly silent.
China is HUGE!!!! Some part of China will definitely survive the first incoming missiles. And you heard the officer, he doesn't care if all the cities eastern of Xian gets destroyed. This is the same country that once said that it wishes Americans drop a atom bomb and kill a few million people so that it looks bad. As for command center, I'm sure they have back up ones in remote country as emergency centers. If America has them, I'm sure other countries have them too. Whether they are noisy or not, that's beside the point. They will have ships protecting them. Remember, there are ICBMs deep inside the Chinese mountains. America will not be able to destroy all of them. Most of them yes, but not all of them. I doubt America will risk getting LA or SF destroyed.IDonT said:
tphuang said:
So is the US!
You are forgetting that the US has more nukes than the rest of the world. It can flatten every inch of China 10xover.
Anyway, we are going off topic.
China has a no first use policy regarding nukes. So there will be no nukes used against a carrier group.
Inteestingly, the US has not agreed the no first use policy on nukes.
MIGleader
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idont, chinese sattelites would detect the missle and china would have nukes flying towards the U.s in no time.
the 94 would retaliate, and unless the U.s has a seawold in chinese waters, it is safe.\
this is major garbage. this is exactly the stuff the admins dont want cause it'll never happen, so get off the subject of nukes.
the 94 would retaliate, and unless the U.s has a seawold in chinese waters, it is safe.\
this is major garbage. this is exactly the stuff the admins dont want cause it'll never happen, so get off the subject of nukes.
China does not currently have an effective secondary (nuclear) strike capability against the US. The DF-5/DF-5A are in fixed silos, DF-31's range a bit short, and the SSBN fleet's operational status is questionable.
For PRC to have an effective nuclear deterrance, the PLAN needs at least 4-8 SSBN's, armed with SLBM's that can reach US cities from China's shores. The Xia and Type 094 is not enough.
As for "how to defeat a carrier fleet", you shower it with cruise missiles until you penatrate the anti-missile defense and mission-kill the ships. A ship has limited space for anti-missile rockets and ammo, versus your forces launching from land has unlimited space for missiles and munitions.
Develop extended range cruise missiles, or cruise missile carrier rockets. The BGM-109 Tomahawks today have 1,100+ km range today with production unit cost of $500,000 each (not counting R&D cost).
Just as ICBM's can carry multiple warheads, there's no reason why you cannot develop a carrier-rocket (or UAV/drone) that can send 10-20 cruise missiles within 1,000km range, then fire the pre-programmed cruise missiles at the intended target. The US Predator Drone, for an example, can be considered a missile launching UAV platform equipped with 2 hellfire missiles.
For PRC to have an effective nuclear deterrance, the PLAN needs at least 4-8 SSBN's, armed with SLBM's that can reach US cities from China's shores. The Xia and Type 094 is not enough.
As for "how to defeat a carrier fleet", you shower it with cruise missiles until you penatrate the anti-missile defense and mission-kill the ships. A ship has limited space for anti-missile rockets and ammo, versus your forces launching from land has unlimited space for missiles and munitions.
Develop extended range cruise missiles, or cruise missile carrier rockets. The BGM-109 Tomahawks today have 1,100+ km range today with production unit cost of $500,000 each (not counting R&D cost).
Just as ICBM's can carry multiple warheads, there's no reason why you cannot develop a carrier-rocket (or UAV/drone) that can send 10-20 cruise missiles within 1,000km range, then fire the pre-programmed cruise missiles at the intended target. The US Predator Drone, for an example, can be considered a missile launching UAV platform equipped with 2 hellfire missiles.