Anti-Carrier Trump Card

Lavi

Junior Member
That's probably not the whole CVBG, there's not a 'huge' amount of water on the picture, I think the escorts are sailing closer to the CV's than usual for the picture. If nothing else there needs to be a support group with more escorts and some AOR's and other supply ships that can be called upon if needed.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
MIGleader said:
bd, that probably is the whole cvbg. you can see a huge amount of ocean in this pic, and only the seven ships. three ticos can take on the entire iraqi navy.

Migleader, I made 7 deployments on 5 different CV's. Just because you can't see the escorts does not mean they aren't there. The escorts are often over 50 miles(or more)away.

Three Ticos could have taken on the entire Iraqi Navy? True. But very funny!
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
if they are fifty mi away, i wouldn't call them escorts. an escort is in enough range to use it weapons to protect the main force. harpoons and standards cant fire fifty mi! i would call a flanking unit, to patrol beside a main force.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
MIGleader said:
if they are fifty mi away, i wouldn't call them escorts. an escort is in enough range to use it weapons to protect the main force. harpoons and standards cant fire fifty mi! i would call a flanking unit, to patrol beside a main force.

I was in the USN for 20 years . That's how I can say that. 20 years. It was real, I was there. I know how they operate. I know of what I post. I don't make things up. i only post from my knowledge or researched facts. My 25 year old son has been on active duty for 7.5 years. He keeps me informed about what the USN is doing to the unclassified extent he can.

The position of the escorts depends a lot on the operational tempo and security conditions at the time. There are all sort of factors when a ship is at sea.

And that young man is how I know.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
ok, im not challenging u. your right. but all im saying was if two groups cannot support eachother, they are flanking units rather than escorts. its not the knolegse, its the word choice.
 

IDonT

Senior Member
VIP Professional
MIGleader said:
if they are fifty mi away, i wouldn't call them escorts. an escort is in enough range to use it weapons to protect the main force. harpoons and standards cant fire fifty mi! i would call a flanking unit, to patrol beside a main force.

Thanks to the range of weapons of USN, its escorts do not have to be in the vicinity of the carrier. Perhaps only one will be within the horizon. Most of the ships are deployed tens to hundreds of miles from the carrier. They are positioned along the threat axis ready to intercept the egress of an incoming strike package.

A carrier battle group in close formation that you see in pictures are done for publicity photos. That is not how a carrier battle group operates.
 

IDonT

Senior Member
VIP Professional
MIGleader said:
ok, i know. us weapons range?
the stnadard has a range of less than 25 km and the harppon has 60 km.

SM 2 ER has a range of well above 150 nm.
Latest harpoon has a range of 100 km.

You are again forgeting the range of the carriers plane.

By the ship being further away from the carrier, it can engage a hostile force well before it can threaten the carrier.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
exacly. but its a flanking unit for the carrier. i dont get why you guys keep thinking im saying the carrier is alone or anyuthing.
 

Lavi

Junior Member
well, this is a question of defining what is an 'escort' that 'belongs to' the CVNBG. The thing is that if a number of ships operate only to protect the carrier, under its direct command, in a range that could be described as 'close' when thinking about the range of modern weapon systems, then they are escorts.
 
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