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FriedRiceNSpice

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manqiangrexue said:
I don't see this at all. How do you figure? The Cultural Revolution was a crash course, sort of "bring the horse to the river and shove its head down to force it to drink" kinda event for Chinese nationalism. It created a Chinese core that was loyal to the CCP but also fragments that would become self-hating and escape to other countries to showcase their disgrace. At a difficult time in its history, China needed this core to be strong; the fragments are annoying but that's about it. Without the Cultural Revolution, the vast majority of Chinese people would be less aware, less nationalistic and this core would not be there to serve as China's buttress against being bled by foreign interests.

Mao is going to bring the Cultural Revolution to create the core I talked about. He's not going to let China sit there and be mellow. The only way it wouldn't have happened is if China fell under Chiang, who wanted China to be an American lackey because he had no confidence in the innate power and intellect of Chinese people to take us to the top of the world.

So it was useful when it happened and useful at its end.
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Cultural Revolution had nothing to do with fostering nationalism or party loyalty. Many party heroes and senior leaders were purged, including Deng Xiaoping. The Cultural Revolution broke down bonds and eroded trust across all layers of society, including between the people and the party and within the party itself. By attacking Chinese traditonal Chinese culture and traditions, it weakened Chinese cultural identity. Chiang Kai Shek had already been defeated and was a non-factor- so how is he relevant at all to the discussion? If the Cultural Revolution had not occurred, Deng might have been able to take the reins much sooner. However in such scenario, we simply don't know if the Deng in such a timeline would have been as successful as the Deng in our timeline, even if he is able to take the leadership position a decade earlier.
 
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manqiangrexue

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Cultural Revolution had nothing to do with fostering nationalism or party loyalty.
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It was completely about that, and being true to the CCP's values.
FriedRiceNSpice said:
Many party heroes and senior leaders were purged, including Deng Xiaoping. The Cultural Revolution broke down bonds and eroded trust across all layers of society, including between the people and the party and within the party itself. By attacking Chinese traditonal Chinese culture and traditions, it weakened Chinese cultural identity.
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I add those to the mistakes made. General Peng Dehuai's end stings me the most. But they do not take away from the positive overall conclusion.
FriedRiceNSpice said:
Chiang Kai Shek had already been defeated and was a non-factor- so how is he relevant at all to the discussion?
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Under him, China would have avoided the Cultural Revolution. That was the only historically reasonable way it could be avoided but we can pretend that Mao just... doesn't do it. Which really doesn't make sense because that's his way of ruling. Maybe if he just died from a stroke after Chiang was defeated? That would then cause a power vacuum and disarray and the result would be highly unpredictable.
FriedRiceNSpice said:
If the Cultural Revolution had not occurred, Deng might have been able to take the reins much sooner. However in such scenario, we simply don't know if the Deng in such a timeline would have been as successful as the Deng in our timeline, even if he is able to take the leadership position a decade earlier.
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That's fine but that's basically the "change 1 thing and you cause an unknown cascade that could change all of history" kind of reasoning.

Alright, I just noticed this is in the American econ thread. It's off topic. I'm done here.
 
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AndrewJ

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It's like sth very bad/terrible happened in your personal life, if you survive that, it'll make you grow fast & become mature. Here the person is refering to CCP/China.

Meanwhile, if your life is always plain & smooth, everything is easy to get, you'll be less pesistent & capable to do anything big. Like India.

No former evolution, no later success.
 
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SlothmanAllen

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Cultural Revolution had nothing to do with fostering nationalism or party loyalty. Many party heroes and senior leaders were purged, including Deng Xiaoping. The Cultural Revolution broke down bonds and eroded trust across all layers of society, including between the people and the party and within the party itself. By attacking Chinese traditonal Chinese culture and traditions, it weakened Chinese cultural identity. Chiang Kai Shek had already been defeated and was a non-factor- so how is he relevant at all to the discussion? If the Cultural Revolution had not occurred, Deng might have been able to take the reins much sooner. However in such scenario, we simply don't know if the Deng in such a timeline would have been as successful as the Deng in our timeline, even if he is able to take the leadership position a decade earlier.
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Yeah, I don't see how the Cultural Revolution helped China at all. If anything it greatly delayed China's development, if not outright risked the countries future.
 
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HighGround

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AndrewJ said:
It's like sth very bad/terrible happened in your personal life, if you survive that, it'll make you grow fast & become mature. Here the person is refering to CCP/China.

Meanwhile, if your life is always plain & smooth, everything is easy to get, you'll be less pesistent & capable to do anything big. Like India.

No former evolution, no later success.
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Uh no I don't think that China would've become India if the Cultural Revolution happened.
 
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