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Sinnavuuty

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Nothing will break except a very small recession.

If you look at data such as job creation, investment, and the various aggregate data from the US economy, the US government is a substantial part of Joe Biden’s "booming" economy.

The monthly employment number includes an astonishing 43,000 new government jobs each month. Furthermore, the only factor that continued to grow uncontrollably was the number of government jobs, adding 40,000 new positions for a grand total of just 12,000 jobs. It’s no wonder that the labor force participation rate and employment-to-population ratios remain below 2019 levels.

Furthermore, in the latest GDP number, government spending accounted for 30% of annualized growth, while investment was essentially flat. Over the past nine quarters, government spending has been a major driver of GDP growth, and its contribution to GDP in the third quarter of 2024 was the largest in a year.
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Stop and think, what about the expanding private sector???

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Wrong. All of the labor force growth in the last four years has come from foreign workers. The latest jobs number is so bad that it seems disingenuous to blame hurricanes and strikes, as if economists and analysts hadn't factored those two factors into their estimates.

The Harris-Biden administration came into office in January 2021, just as the economy was recovering strongly. Instead of allowing the private sector to thrive, he embarked on a strategy of reckless spending and tax increases with two goals: to increase the size of government in the economy so much that the next administration would not be able to reduce it enough in four years. The second goal was to inflate growth and employment numbers so aggressively that the next administration would see a recession if it reduced public sector growth. You might wonder why they would do this if Harris was going to win the election. If Kamala Harris wins, she will continue to expand the size of government, inflate prices through spending and printing, and blame corporations and stores for these actions.

The Biden-Harris administration has left a huge time bomb for Trump and Elon Musk’s DOGE. It will be nearly impossible to avoid a recession if they cut discretionary spending and eliminate duplicative jobs.

It will be both entertaining and comical at the same time. The good news for Americans is that an eventual recovery of the public finances and reduction of government jobs may have a temporary negative impact on GDP, but increased exports, investment and private sector employment will likely offset this, and the outcome will be better for the US dollar and the American people. The potential of the private sector of the US economy is far greater than the short-term negative impact of efficiency and budgetary control on core GDP. We will see how Trump manages this bomb in the Oval Office.

In my opinion, DOGE will do much less than he has been publicly advocating and claiming. Just as an example, the cabinet appointments leave no doubt that the basis of the US government will remain, for example, if they really wanted to reduce spending, the DHS and so many other federal agencies should have been closed.
The Treasury Department released its latest revenue and spending totals this week, and deficits continue to rise at a staggering rate.
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During October—the first month of fiscal year 2025—the federal deficit was more than a quarter of a trillion dollars, reaching $257.4 billion. Tax revenue in October totaled $326 billion, but spending totaled $584 billion.
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Now, a month into the new fiscal year, the federal government is on track to add more than $2 trillion to the national debt during fiscal year 2025.
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If the economy worsens significantly in the coming months — and tax revenues plummet as they do during times of economic trouble — the deficit will be much larger than $2 trillion. There is no sign of relief from the growing deficits. Fiscal year 2024 ended on September 30 with the total deficit for the fiscal year
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. That is the largest deficit in three years and the worst since 2021, when the U.S. will be in the midst of Covid.

Another important thing:
Although the Fed cut its target interest rate in September, the 10-year Treasury has risen since mid-September to four-month highs. This is likely being fueled in part by bond investors’ expectations of even more deficit spending and the need to issue ever-larger amounts of federal debt—thus driving down bond prices and pushing up yields.

The rise in yields also suggests that many investors expect more price inflation. As deficits rise, the Treasury will ask the Fed to buy more bonds to drive down yields. This will lead to monetary inflation and, eventually, price inflation.
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coolgod

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Remember how I told you that the American economy is really not as bad as some of you think?


It's an economic miracle!!! And before Trump even did anything!
You know HighGround is fit to be a western economist cause he posted a random tweet by someone with "Co-Founder,
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" as their bio, with a heavily politicized claim about US economic sentiments supported by an unsourced picture with only 1 relevant data point.

This is the Feds material right here, have you applied for internships from them yet?
 

HighGround

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You know HighGround is fit to be a western economist cause he posted a random tweet by someone with "Co-Founder,
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" as their bio, with a heavily politicized claim about US economic sentiments supported by an unsourced picture with only 1 relevant data point.

Sadly I didn't try hard enough during my time at a Think Tank. I am but a humble civil servant in my local government.

This is the Feds material right here, have you applied for internships from them yet?

It's just YouGov polling data, but I don't really see what's objectionable here. You do understand that most Americans gauge their opinion of the economy on the basis of "vibes" and political alignment, rather than any objective analysis right?
 

coolgod

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Sadly I didn't try hard enough during my time at a Think Tank. I am but a humble civil servant in my local government.

It's just YouGov polling data, but I don't really see what's objectionable here. You do understand that most Americans gauge their opinion of the economy on the basis of "vibes" and political alignment, rather than any objective analysis right?
1. Economic vibes are forward looking, Trump won, stocks went up, crypto boomed and companies internally changed their forecasts.
2. That was literally only one data point, the screenshot is also super misleading. Take a look at the raw data
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3. Polling Bias?

My comments were unironic, I really do think you'd make a good western economist. Who am I to argue with western economists about the state of western economies.

There was a reason why Trump won in a landslide, the economists and their "data" were wrong.

I don't know how much Chinese you know, but there is a perfect Chinese forum - Zhihu for people like you.
This question is perfect for you to answer.
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Here are some answers that perfectly align with your ideas :)
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Here is a good screenshot of one of the highly rated answer.

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HighGround

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1. Economic vibes are forward looking, Trump won, stocks went up, crypto boomed and companies internally changed their forecasts.

But I don't think that Trump is good for the economy. We should be very much down on the basis of Trump's most favored policies. The Tariffs alone would be devastating to the US economy.

2. That was literally only one data point, the screenshot is also super misleading. Take a look at the raw data
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I don't really follow. The public YouGov site only indicates data up to Nov. 18th and it's roughly corroborative of the screenshot.

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3. Polling Bias?

My comments were unironic, I really do think you'd make a good western economist. Who am I to argue with western economists about the state of western economies.

There was a reason why Trump won in a landslide, the economists and their "data" were wrong.

I don't know how much Chinese you know, but there is a perfect Chinese forum - Zhihu for people like you. Here are some answers that perfectly align with your ideas :)

Here is a good screenshot of one of the highly rated answer.

I don't know know any Chinese whatsoever lol. Though I should probably start learning.
 

coolgod

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But I don't think that Trump is good for the economy. We should be very much down on the basis of Trump's most favored policies. The Tariffs alone would be devastating to the US economy.
Maybe you should apply to be an economist for a democrat thinktank. FWIW I think Trump is good for the economy (just not USA's;))

I don't really follow. The public YouGov site only indicates data up to Nov. 18th and it's roughly corroborative of the screenshot.
Only the last data point is after the election and supports your claim

I don't know know any Chinese whatsoever lol. Though I should probably start learning.
See that's why you're missing out. Instead of debating with us plebs on SDF, you can be having so much fun debating with Chinese netizens on Zhihu about western economics. That's the go to place for debating those kind of topics.
 

HighGround

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Maybe you should apply to be an economist for a democrat thinktank ;) FWIW I think Trump is good for the economy (Just not USA's
;))

I'd need to finish my Ph.D. Can't really afford it at the moment.

Only the last data point is after the election and supports your claim

I mean yes, that's the whole point. The people polled aren't reacting to some objective economic situation. They are reacting emotionally according to their political bias.

See that's why you're missing out. Instead of debating with us plebs on SDF, you can be having so much fun debating with Chinese netizens on Zhihu about western economics. That's the go to place for debating those kind of topics.
You're probably right lol. But don't worry, I don't think of you guys as plebs. For what it's worth I don't believe things are written in stone. I can certainly see scenarios where Trump is quite good for the American economy.
 
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