American Economics Thread

Phead128

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Yeah nonsense - the vast majority of US households have positive net worth which can’t happen if they live “paycheck to paycheck”. Around a third of US individuals over 25y/o have college degrees, the top 10-20% is not some super exclusive club, it’s basically every white collar worker in mid-career.

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"Positive net worth" includes your primary residence, which is meaningless since it's not liquidable asset unless you are part of the 5.5% of Americans who have multiple properties. 95% of American property-owners own a single property, so "net worth" has no practical significance for financial flexibility or ability to cover expenses in a pinch unless you exclude primary residence.

So in conclusion, yes, you can live "paycheck-to-paycheck" in a home you already own, but cannot sell because you have no alternative place to live except rent. "Net worth" is very misleading in terms of liquidity.
 
Needs to be fleshed out a bit. There are tens of millions of individuals that earn a low income for non-economic reasons (disability, illness, foreign-born residents with a lack of cultural familiarity and language skills and family emergencies/parenting) as well as those that earn a low income due to mass affluence (college students living off their parents, early retirees, etc). Once these individuals are excluded from the calculation and you add a very simple “have a college degree” and “work full time” condition, earning 100K is extremely common. As long as you are an able-bodied person with reasonably good English skills, a college degree, and work full time; the chance you make >100K soars exponentially.

Yes, hand wave away 80% of population as disability/illness/foreigners/suffering from emergency family situations.

Yeah nonsense - the vast majority of US households have positive net worth which can’t happen if they live “paycheck to paycheck”. Around a third of US individuals over 25y/o have college degrees, the top 10-20% is not some super exclusive club, it’s basically every white collar worker in mid-career.

You do realize, if you buy a home, your net worth increases over time even if you are living paycheck by paycheck . And as long as you are making 401k contributions, your net worth will also be increasing. About 78% of Americans leave paycheck to paycheck. 100k is not enough to live a comfortable life in just about all US major metros. Why don't you go move to somewhere in the US, make 100k, and see how "affluent" you feel. For the top 10 metros in US, you need a household income of at least 250k to enjoy a comfortable life. For cities people actually want to live in like Bay Area/New York/Seattle/Boston/LA/San Diego, you need minimum 350-500k (Building on top of your, "Bob", decent home for a family, 2 cars, childcare for 1 child, healthy diet, enough for entertainment / vacations. No McMansion, home in a slightly above average school district). The costs of everything in US cities are ridiculous, and has become much more so since 2020.

You are just so out of touch with reality that I feel it is pointless to engage any further on this topic. I have brain cells to preserve.
 
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Phead128

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He probably doesn't live in a high-cost major US metro area if he thinks $100K is sufficient.

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Here’s a look at the five most-costly states for single workers, based on how much money residents would need to earn each year to live comfortably.
  1. Massachusetts: $116,022
  2. Hawaii: $113,693
  3. California: $113,651
  4. New York: $111,738
  5. Washington: $106,496
This is just state-wide averages for a single working individual, not even living within the main metro area like NYC, SF, LA, or Boston, which you can take an extra 30-50% on top of. The cost of living in these states are huge, nevermind inside the major metro areas.
 

chgough34

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Yes, hand wave away 80% of population as disability/illness/foreigners/suffering from emergency family situations.
Handwave away people who have a low income for non-economic reasons?
You do realize, if you buy a home, your net worth increases over time even if you are living paycheck by paycheck .
Using a house as a savings account is quite literally the opposite of living paycheck to paycheck
And as long as you are making 401k contributions
401K contributions are otherwise known as savings
. About 78% of Americans leave paycheck to paycheck. 100k is not enough to live a comfortable life in just about all US major metros.
Neither of these are true


 

AndrewS

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They have to cut this year or they are screwed. Things aren't looking good

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In 2023, you had the following figures

US Federal Government 2023
Revenue: $4.4 Trillion
Spending: $6.1 trillion
Deficit: -$1.7 Trillion

So in 2024, the US government may have to pay an extra $0.7 Trillion in interest payments.
That would suggest a budget deficit of 8%, which is insanely high given that it is peacetime and there is no crisis going on.

So yes. If they don't cut interest rates, there might be a loss in financial confidence and a Minsky Moment (we've seen this happen in the UK and Italy in recent years)

Looks like inflation is here to stay.
 
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