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Bellum_Romanum

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Ya I heard this one before too. My company went fully back to office in October 2023 after 2 years of hybrid.

It's mostly the big companies being forced back full time. I have friends in smaller firms that work maybe 1 day in the office a week. And others that is 2-3 days a week with anywhere August. But these are all small companies that have about 100 people or less.

I'm interviewing for a VP position Wednesday and hybrid is the first question I'm going to ask about lol.
All the best, and good luck to your new VP post. Don't be a dick to your employees.
 

chgough34

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I think that's a little unkind. I'm betting it's just the sign of the times - in the past, when two parents had 4 or 5 kids, they really wanted to unload them into the world as quickly as possible, just to have some more space to themselves. Now that there's usually just one, and it's being raised by a single parent anyway, there's just no push factors for young adults to "emancipate" themselves.
60% of 18-22y/o’s are in college as well and since regional commuter universities and community colleges are the bulk of enrollment, those people are going to be at home while they complete their studies
 

paiemon

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The points you made pretty much echoes what these experts said back in September of 2023 regarding the "CREDIT SHOCK IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE" (CRE). It was posted by a member of this forum who's name escapes my memory but I took the chance to listen to the whole podcast and was not surprised to witness the drama behind "BACK TO OFFICE MANDATE" command by the majority of AMERICAN corpo employers since OFFICE REAL ESTATE/SECTOR is facing the biggest challenges vs other CRE components.

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I think the other issue with commercial real estate is cities have revenues tied to occupancy rates, foot traffic, etc in these business districts so they are incentivized to push RTO onto companies operating in those CBDs to assist in budget planning similar to the investors in CRE leaning on the management of the companies with tenancies. In essence, the worker's commute, their daily coffee, lunch, etc amounts to forced spending to help fill city coffers and the pockets of real estate investors. Finally, the unspoken benefit of RTO from a companies perspective is it acts as a low-cost self-cleansing mechanism for personnel management since they are hoping people will just quit off their own accord without having to pay or severance due to the unpopularity of RTO. Its like quiet quitting, but for corporations.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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For the first time in 20 years, the US imports more from Mexico than from China:
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Huh?

Pretty sure it already happened in 2018-2019

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The reality is that China is simply getting too high tech for the US now. They don't want to buy products with Chinese IP anymore yet Chinese IP is increasing. Chinese IP is becoming a strong competitor.

Mexico doesn't have semiconductor, aerospace, heavy industry, EV, etc competitors. High IP work is still in China, just like how Samsung quit the Chinese smartphone market and stopped assembly work but retained their semiconductor fabs and R&D centers.

Coincidentally South Korea also has a trade deficit now after decades of trade surplus.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Huh?

Pretty sure it already happened in 2018-2019

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August-29.jpg


The reality is that China is simply getting too high tech for the US now. They don't want to buy products with Chinese IP anymore yet Chinese IP is increasing. Chinese IP is becoming a strong competitor.

Mexico doesn't have semiconductor, aerospace, heavy industry, EV, etc competitors. High IP work is still in China, just like how Samsung quit the Chinese smartphone market and stopped assembly work but retained their semiconductor fabs and R&D centers.

Coincidentally South Korea also has a trade deficit now after decades of trade surplus.
The US imports more from Mexico than China for the first time in 20 years.
 

paiemon

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Huh?

Pretty sure it already happened in 2018-2019

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August-29.jpg


The reality is that China is simply getting too high tech for the US now. They don't want to buy products with Chinese IP anymore yet Chinese IP is increasing. Chinese IP is becoming a strong competitor.

Mexico doesn't have semiconductor, aerospace, heavy industry, EV, etc competitors. High IP work is still in China, just like how Samsung quit the Chinese smartphone market and stopped assembly work but retained their semiconductor fabs and R&D centers.

Coincidentally South Korea also has a trade deficit now after decades of trade surplus.
I think a better comparison would be for the time period 2018-2023 the Chinese exports to the USA; Mexico exports to the USA and Chinese exports to Mexico. It would allow us to evaluate if the increase in Mexico imports to the USA is driven by assembly of Chinese components on Mexican soil, but with most of the value based in China as you noted. The headline number is too generic to derive any useful conclusions from, since the changes in export gross totals can be for any number of reasons. But just looking at the graph, Mexico has been exporting more gradually to the USA for over a decade leading up to 2018 to within a few percentage points of China in terms of import share, so I don't think this should be considered surprising since the patterns in China's trade partners and value-add in terms of goods has shifted such that Mexico occupies a higher percentage of the share.
 
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