American Economics Thread

Tam

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So I heard that US statistic body (or something similar) really massaged job reports data so ol'Joe can boast record-breaking job reports, is that true?

You can check the video I posted above. Unemployment stats does not include people who have given up employment search over 6 months. Total Real Unemployment rate is called U-6, while standard reported unemployment rate is U-3. What government reports is U3, not U--6.

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US E-6 as of January 2022 is 7.9% more than double of E-3. But this is a big jump from April 2020 where U-6 is 22.40%.

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So U-6 is now close to pre-pandemic levels, but even then, the economy was already sinking at this point.

This is nowhere near what the government is reporting (E-3), but still a big improvement from 2020.

ADP however, reported over 300,000 jobs lost this January.

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If there are any gains in the jobs sector, they are mostly in the entertainment and hospitality business, not in the manufacturing which is only in the teens. Did the economy produce jobs overall? I would say yes, because there are acute labor especially in the health care and logistics industries. Is there a problem where people refuse to work? That would be yes. We all know about the Great Resignation, and people quitting in record numbers due to poor pay and working conditions. Usually immigrants fill the lower wage gap, but there isn't enough of that lately.
 

AssassinsMace

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I guess someone finally got it through their heads that spinning every bill as being an anti-China act in the title was going to be bad for the US especially since forty Senators sent a letter to Biden calling for him to relieve some tariffs on China because it was hurting their states. China has not surrendered since Trump said China would collapse day one of his trade war four years ago and the said cost to China's economy by Western experts due to its zero-tolerance COVID-19 policy has not made China change course. They can no longer depend on believing China only thinks about money as part of their calculus in out-maneuvering China so naming everything in an anti-China context might not work in their favor since China controls half of the decision making power of what they want to happen.
 

9dashline

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When I was a kid, about 6 to 7 years old, my Dad's first job out of University (Masters) he made around $45k USD per year and we lived in Dallas Texas, which at the time was about average middle income

Back then, CiCi's pizza buffet was only $2.99 for adults, our family 2 bedroom apartment of 900 sq ft was $400 per month rent, and a family of four at McDonalds (2 adults, 2 kids meals) went for around $10 total....

Nowadays CiCi's buffet ends up being $10 per adult, that exact same 2 bedroom apartment of 900 sq ft is now going for $1200 and doesn't include water, electric, etc and an adult McDonalds meal costs darn near $10 per person...

Just intuitively it feels like in the last three decades the US dollar has only roughly retained about 1/3 of its purchasing power...

These days you'd have to be making at least $120k to be equal to the $45k that someone made back in 1992... a "six figure salary" is no longer the sign of a "high earner" and being a "millionaire" really only means you have $300k in the bank... hardly enough to last you three years as opposed to "a lifetime of safety and security" to quote Indecent Proposal (90s movie about rich billionaire guy buying one night with someone's wife)

About a decade ago I was making $45k and nowadays I'm making about twice the nominal amount but I definitely feel like my living standards haven't changed at all, in some ways its gotten worse.

Back in late 2016/early 2017 (even before the trade war and tech wars) the DJI Mavic Pro high end went for $999. Now the Mavic version 3 Pro is $2199 and tops out at a ridiculous $4999.

Back in 2014 I got a then state of the art top of the line flagship Nvidia GTX980 gpu for $599 at Fry's electronics.... Now even two years after the RTX3000 series debuted I still cannot find any inventory at MSRP and last year to get a RTX3090 had to shell out $3500.... and it wasn't at Fry's because Fry's had just went belly-up

A decade ago in our town a brand new KIA Rio sedan was going for $8000, these days you'd have to pay $21000 to get the same...

Our first family home that my parents bought back in 1994 was for $120,000, that same home is now valued at $480,000 even though it has aged nearly 3 decades...

I think this definitely comports with the figures published at Shadowstats and Chapwoods in terms of real-life inflation numbers rather than the rigged CPI index just like the rigged US stock market and the rigged unemployment figures....

US Federal minimum wage hasn't changed since the $7.25/hr first implemented back in 2009. Real inflation in the US last year was at LEAST 15% but the average salary wage increase was less than <4%... (I myself only got 1%)
 

MortyandRick

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When do you think you can enjoy the same lifestyle and living standards if you decide to move to Chongqing or Chengdu?

I get it the US is sinking anytime thanks to the rising tide of Chinese superpower economic expansion and unprecendent, glorious demonstration of socialism with Chinese characteristics. I would hope that leading US cities in the East and West coast would be playing catch up to Chengdu, Chongqing and Tianjing in the next 3 decades.
So, do you have any arguments against what @9dashline mentioned about loss of purchasing power of the USD? Why did you try to change the subject of his complaint ?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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When do you think you can enjoy the same lifestyle and living standards if you decide to move to Chongqing or Chengdu?

I get it the US is sinking anytime thanks to the rising tide of Chinese superpower economic expansion and unprecendent, glorious demonstration of socialism with Chinese characteristics. I would hope that leading US cities in the East and West coast would be playing catch up to Chengdu, Chongqing and Tianjing in the next 3 decades.
what's the problem with Chongqing or Chengdu?

I don't get it. They look fine to me, like any other developed East Asian city like Tokyo or Osaka.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Which part of Shanghai, Beijing or Guangzhou being worse off than Taipei sounds like a comedy to you?

Instead of repeatedly making it personal, like all the other members here, care to address the point? I am sure you can't, that's why you have to make it personal. I don't need to say it out loud that you are a comedian.
LOL another comedy gold reply. Bahahaha you're hilarious bro!! Please go on
 

Tam

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Are you saying Chongqing or Chengdu are as developed as Tokyo or Osaka?

The most developed Chinese cities such as Beijing, Shanghai or Guangzhou are poorer than Taipei. Let that sink in.

Maybe in nominal terms but not in PPP terms. For some reason, people are driving Teslas, Mercedes Benzes, Audis, BMWs, and all sorts of cutting edge EVs in numbers and densities that you don't see in Tokyo.


When do you think you can enjoy the same lifestyle and living standards if you decide to move to Chongqing or Chengdu?

I get it the US is sinking anytime thanks to the rising tide of Chinese superpower economic expansion and unprecendent, glorious demonstration of socialism with Chinese characteristics. I would hope that leading US cities in the East and West coast would be playing catch up to Chengdu, Chongqing and Tianjing in the next 3 decades.

Yeah.


Most certainly I would enjoy superior hotpot.
 
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