Alien invasion?!

EternalVigil

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Folks something is out there and the US air force knows it. We have tried to intercept these "objects" before and they can accelerate past mach 25 instantly from being still. The US and other world powers know something is going on but they keep it under wraps so they dont instill mass panic in the population.A few years ago I seen a silver orb over the ocean while flying out of Tyndall AFB in Florida. It also did'nt show up on radar. The air controllers couldnt see it either but I could see it with the naked eye. Laugh and make fun if you want Im not crazy and I did see something and it just vanished. I dont care if you believe me or not but something is observing us.
 

Kampfwagen

Junior Member
I would never think of you as crazy. There may be some explanations, but I do not doubt that the U.S, Russian, Belgian, Australian and Japanese pilots, not to mention hundreds of comercial and recreational pilot flights.

By the way, have you guys ever heard the story of how a U.F.O almost launched a Soviet ICBM?
 

swimmerXC

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MIGleader said:
What, that Gary McKinnon guy? wow, he did liek 700,000 worth of damage. Did he get put away?

i think he also disabled a naval station for a week after 9/11

I don't know where your reading your news.. Gary McKinnon never disabled any military bases or assests, all he did was break into computer files
 

walter

Junior Member
EternalVigil said:
Folks something is out there and the US air force knows it. We have tried to intercept these "objects" before and they can accelerate past mach 25 instantly from being still. The US and other world powers know something is going on but they keep it under wraps so they dont instill mass panic in the population.A few years ago I seen a silver orb over the ocean while flying out of Tyndall AFB in Florida. It also did'nt show up on radar. The air controllers couldnt see it either but I could see it with the naked eye. Laugh and make fun if you want Im not crazy and I did see something and it just vanished. I dont care if you believe me or not but something is observing us.

I also don't think you're crazy.

One of the problems with the topic of aliens and UFOs is that it has been eaten up by the media, sensationalized and processed into pure outlandish pulp for entertainment making it virtually impossible for any serious scientific study to be undertaken. This doesn't apply to 'listening' for nonnatural radio signals from outerspace (Arecibo, SETI project), since that is a real scientific endeavor not based on UFOs or aliens actually having visited Earth, so those scientists recieve ample funding to continue their search. But if any serious scientist wanted to undertake a study on UFOs he/she would most likely lose the respect of their peers--it is one of those rare topics that the scientific community can't seem to approach from an unbiased standpoint.

Take for example the nuclear physicist and ufologist stanton friedman, probably the most renowned ufologist. He's only taken seriously by those who want to believe and particpates as a guest speaker at abovtopsecret.com, but he isn't invited to any real science symposiums.

I personally haven't made up my mind if I believe or not that UFOs, ie piloted by aliens or their tech, have visited Earth, but I'm not ready to discount it just because so many disturbed people claim to have been abducted. Their are many more respectable individuals who claim to have seen things they can't equate with known natural phenomena or manmade tech, examples being Jimmy Carter and countless military and commercial pilots.


By the way, have you guys ever heard the story of how a U.F.O almost launched a Soviet ICBM?

I have heard of that--for me it belongs to the long list of sensational UFO pulp.

As to whether or not aliens would attack us or come in peace, impossible to say either way. I don't buy the arguement that barbarism and warring just belong to primitive humans and that an alien race would be above this. Sure, humankind is barbarous and warring, at times, but claiming an alien race would be above this is pure assumption--it is really pessimist's view of humanity and nothing more.
 
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Kampfwagen

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walter said:
Sure, humankind is barbarous and warring, at times, but claiming an alien race would be above this is pure assumption--it is really pessimist's view of humanity and nothing more.

I myself beleve this as well. Who knows, there may be Extraterestrial Mother Teresa's, but there could just as easily be Extra terestrial Hitlers and Stalins too. To assume that just because they have high technology that they would not be immune to age old cultural traditions and taboos, or traces of their evolutionary paths.

It's intresting to see another person so throughly intrested in UFO's.

walter said:
I have heard of that--for me it belongs to the long list of sensational UFO pulp.

So you dont really beleve that story? Intresting one to tell, none the less.
 

Finn McCool

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Kampfwagen said:
So you dont really beleve that story? Intresting one to tell, none the less.

I don't know it. Tell it. I would like to hear.

I will tell a good UFO story of my own. You probably have heard it, but considering it is military related it I will tell it.

Bentwaters Air Base
Bentwaters Royal Air Force base opened in 1944. (It was named after a house which was located on the site of the main runway.) In the early years, Spitfires and Meteors flew missions from the base. In 1951, the U.S. Air Force moved in, and during the next three decades the base was home to the 7506th Air Support Group and the 81st Fighter-Interceptor Wing. During this time, F-4 Phantoms and
F-16s blasted off from the airfield. The base was closed in 1993.


The Woodbridge Rendlesham incident: 1980

On December 27, 1980 a UFO was seen in the Rendlesham Forest area outside the back gates of RAF/USAF Woodbridge in Suffolk, England. Before this UFO was seen near Woodbridge, radar operators at RAF Watton, near Norwich, picked up an unusual blip. RAF Phantom jets was sent to investigate. When they closed on the object, pilots reported seeing intense, bright lights in the sky. Radar operator Mal Scurrah: "As the Phantoms got close the hovering object shot upwards at phenomenal speed - monitored at more than 1,000mph."

Claim:
In late December 1980, while serving as deputy base commander at Bentwaters Air Base in southern England, Halt witnessed and investigated several anomalous objects in the skies over the Rendelsham Forest, which separates the American installation from its twin Royal Air Force base, Woodbridge. The sightings occurred on two separate nights during the week after Christmas. Two weeks later, Halt sent a report about the strange encounters to the British Ministry of Defense.
Background
A career Air Force officer, Halt served in Vietnam and on various bases before arriving at Bentwaters in 1980. He was promoted to base commander in 1984. Halt later served as base commander at Kunsan Air Base, Korea, and as director of the inspections directorate for the Department of Defense inspector general. He retired in 1991. Halt is the first USAF officer since Project Blue Book ended to have filed a memo on unidentified flying objects and gone public with the details.
The Story:
"Just after Christmas, about 5:30 a.m., December 26, 1980, I walked into police headquarters and the desk sergeant started to laugh. He said a couple of the guys had been out chasing UFOs. Nothing, however, was in the blotter. I told him to put it in.
"When our base commander came in, we both chuckled. Neither of us believed in UFOs, but we did decide to look into it. Before we had the chance, two nights later, the duty flight commander for the security police unit rushed in to a belated Christmas party white as a sheet. `The UFO is back,' he said.

"I was asked to investigate. I changed into a utility uniform, then headed out in a jeep to the edge of the forest. About a dozen of our men were already there. Our light-alls (large gas-powered lights) wouldn't work, and there was so much static and constant interference on our radios that we had to set up a relay. There was increasing commotion. I was determined to show them this was nonsense.

"I took half a dozen of the men and headed into the woods on foot to a clearing where the initial incident had supposedly taken place. We found three distinct indentations in the ground equidistant apart and pressed well into the sandy soil. They were supposedly caused by the object seen two nights before, but I didn't see anything sitting there that night. Neither did anybody else there.

"Inside the triangular area formed by the indentations, one of the men got slightly higher readings on the Geiger counter than he did outside. He photographed the area, and I took a soil sample. Meanwhile, I recorded this activity on my microcassette recorder.

"We knew the Orford Ness lighthouse beacon beamed from the southeast. All of a sudden, directly to the east, we saw an unusual red, sunlike light -- oval shaped, glowing, with a black center -- 10 to 15 feet off the ground, moving through the trees. Beyond the clearing was a barbed-wire fence, farmer's field, house, and barn. The animals were making a lot of noise.

"We ran toward the light up to the fence. It shot over the field and then moved in a 20- to 30-degree horizontal arc. Strangely, it appeared to be dripping what looked like molten steel out of a crucible, as if gravity were somehow pulling it down. Suddenly, it exploded -- not a loud bang, just booompf -- and broke into five white objects that scattered in the sky. Everything except our radios seemed to return to normal.

"We went to the end of the farmer's property to get a different perspective. In the north, maybe 20 degrees off the horizon, we saw three white objects -- elliptical, like a quarter moon but a little larger -- with blue, green, and red lights on them, making sharp, angular movements. The objects eventually turned from elliptical to round.

"I called the command post, asked them to call Eastern Radar, responsible for air defense of that sector. Twice they reported that they didn't see anything.

"Suddenly, from the south, a different glowing object moved toward us at a high rate of speed, came within several hundred feet, and then stopped. A pencillike beam, six to eight inches in diameter, shot from this thing right down by our feet. Seconds later, the object rose and disappeared.

"The objects in the north were still dancing in the sky. After an hour or so, I finally made the call to go in. We left those things out there.

"The film turned out to be fogged; nothing came out. But a staff sergeant later made plaster castings of the indentations, and I had the soil sample.

"Around New Year's Eve, I took statements and interviewed the men who had taken part in the initial incident. The reports were nearly identical.

"Basically, they reported this: In the early morning hours of December 26, one of the airmen drove to the back gate at Woodbridge on a routine security check. He saw lights in the forest, specifically a red light, and thought maybe an airplane had crashed. He radioed a report, which was called into the tower, but the tower reported nobody was flying.

"Eventually, a group headed out to the forest. They reported strange noises -- animals, movement, like we heard two nights later.

"As they approached the clearing, they reported seeing a large yellowish-white light with a blinking red light on the upper center portion and a steady blue light emanating from underneath. The tower again reported nothing on radar.

"A few of the men moved to within 20 or 30 feet. Each said the same thing independently -- a triangular-shaped metallic object, about nine feet across the base, six feet high, appeared to be sitting on a tripod. They split up, walked around the craft. One of the men apparently tried to get on the craft, but, they said, it levitated up.

"All three of the guys hit the ground as the craft moved quickly in a zigzagging manner through the woods toward the field, hitting some trees on the way. They got up and approached again, but the object rose up, and then it disappeared at great speed.

"Finally, on January 13, 1981, I wrote a memo to the British Ministry of Defense. Despite my efforts, to my knowledge, no one from any intelligence or government agency ever came on base to investigate.

"I have never sought the limelight, nor have I hidden. I stand to receive no financial benefit from this interview but consented because it's time the truth came out. I don't know what those objects were. I don't know anybody who does. But something as yet unexplained happened out there."

Update:
In 1983, a copy of Halt's memo to the British MoD was released through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Shortly thereafter, a copy of the 18-minute audiotape of the investigation Halt conducted was given to a British UFOlogist by, Halt says, another Air Force officer. Both have made the rounds within the UFO community.
November, 2002 - The Freedom of information Act (FOIA) in now releasing info on the Rendlesham files and are now availible in PDF format at the link at
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Why the UK is chosen now to release the truth is a mystery, however we are all delighted with the straight forwardness of the British Government.
Perhaps the US will follow suit. The PDF files are now being gathered and will be posted in the near future here at the Gazette.
No Aircraft I ever seen
"As we started getting closer, it was apparent that it was not an aircraft downing or a crash. We weren't sure what it was at that point, so we radioed that information back to Airman Cabansag, who radioed it back to CSC. We had no outside contact with our IBRs [radios], with the exception of Airman Cabansag, and he was, by this point, beginning to break up on the transmissions himself.
"We entered the tree line and moved in about 20 more meters. There was an object sitting in a clearing. It was emitting mostly white light at that point, very bright. Both Burroughs and I had to squint when we looked at it. I found it very strange that there was no sound coming from the object, but the animals around us were in a frenzy. We had wildlife running by us, and lots of birds. Outside that noise, however, there was no other.
"That was when I decided to have Burroughs stay there as a radiolink. He did not seem calm. He didn't acknowledge what I was saying, but I thought he understood. I was more concerned at that moment with what was going on in front of me.

"As I continued on into the woods, I started seeing the outline of the object itself. The lights that had just been a blur from 300 meters away were now definite, distinct colors -- light blue, yellow, and red -- and they were pulsating. Looking at the silhouette of the object, I realized it was not a conventional aircraft, meaning that it was not one that was already published in Jane's All the World's Aircraft. It was no aircraft I had ever seen, and it wasn't one that I knew any prototype of.

"As I was taking notes, I also memorized what was in front of me for what seemed like hours, but was in fact only minutes.Finally, I unleashed my camera-case cover and brought the camera up to focus. The air was electric. It made my hair and skin feel as if I were surrounded by static electricity or some type of energy. I began snapping photo after photo. It was still eerily quiet."


I touched the symbols
"I got to within 10 feet of the craft and the clearing where it sat. I estimated it to be about three meters tall and about three meters wide at the base. No landing gear was apparent, but it seemed like she was on fixed legs. I moved a little closer. I had already taken all 36 pictures on my roll of film. I walked around the craft, and finally, I walked right up to the craft. I noticed the fabric of the shell was more like a smooth, opaque, black glass. The bluish lights went from black to gray to blue. I was pretty much confused at that point. I kept trying to put this in some kind of frame of reference, trying to find some logical explanation as to what this was and what was going on. It was dead silent. No animals were even making noise anymore.

"On the smooth exterior shell there was writing of some kind, but I couldn't quite distinguish it, so I moved up to it. It was three-inch lettering, rather symbols that stretched for the length of two feet, maybe a little more. I touched the symbols, and I could feel the shapes as if they were inscribed or etched or engraved, like a diamond cut on glass.

"At that point, I backed away from the craft, because the light was starting to get brighter. Still, there was no sound. There was no physical contact with any kind of life form, but there did seem to be a life presence. It was mechanical, this ship, and it seemed to be under intelligent control.

"The next thing I knew, I was standing about 20 feet away from the craft with Burroughs, who I thought I had left back near the tree line. The craft moved up off the ground, about three feet, still with absolutely no sound. It started to move slowly, weaving back through the trees at a very slow pace, maybe a half a foot per second. It took about a couple of minutes for it to manuever itself back to a distance of about 100 to 150 feet, then it rose up just over the trees, about 200 feet high. There was a momentary pause -- and then literally with the blink of an eye it was gone. All with no sound. That still boggles my mind.

"We thought it had left, but then both Airman Burroughs and I saw the same array of colored lights maybe a half mile away. So we pursued it, trying to follow its course as best we could on foot. We only got about 300 yards into the woods before we turned around. We still had no radio contact, which I thought was strange. We weren't even getting squelch. We went back to the clearing. There, Airman Burroughs noticed the impression, the indentations in the ground. We found three of them, all triangular in shape, each about three meters apart. Then I decided we should head back."


I had heard this story previously and I just copied this from a website. I should post in some serious threads.
 

Kampfwagen

Junior Member
Well basicaly, the story goes (if I remember correctly, it was awhile.) that on the 5th of October, 1983 an ICBM Base in the Ukrane reported seeing an object in the sky from 4-8 PM. During that time, there were several indicators that orders to launch ICBM's aimed at NATO Targets. Obviously and fortunately, they did not launch them. It was later investigated by Russian UFO Investigators in the Military, and aparently could find no technological explanation, and found the individuals involved to be of sound mind and generaly credible.

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It is not all that well known, and this was the only information I can find. Right next to "Special Types Of Sightings" on the navigation bar. Sorry about this, not a whole lot of information on it.
 

walter

Junior Member
maybe I shouldn't discount the UFO ICBM story so easily, but I guess once I had seen it so many times on crappy UFO shows it just started to sound more like a made up story to play on people's fears of two things: aliens and nuclear war. Perhaps this incident did take place.

I am glad someone brought up the Woodbridge/Bentwaters story because I actually lived in this area as a kid for 2 years when my dad was stationed at Bentwaters. That was around '88-'90 timeframe, so well after the encounters, but it is interesting to know the areas mentioned and described in the story. I never did see any UFO's myself--too bad.
 

Kampfwagen

Junior Member
I remember hearing a story on that myself. Alot of people in the americas call it 'England's Roswell', lest I be mistaken. If you ask me, those sightings were even more sensational than Roswell.
 
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