Aircraft Carriers

Intresting. But with the upcomming new class of LHA the US will probally use these ships in the manner discribed. They probally could now outfit an LHA/LHD with 20 Sea Harriers and 4-6 SH-60s varaints.



I wonder how the USN would convince the US congress to enter into such a venture? and how would the giant US defense industry feel about this venture? Great idea for us defence buffs but would the US and UK government buy into such a proposal? And imangine what the enemies of the US & UK would spout?....I can hear them now...jeez...

I like the idea.

Well with that new LHA design the USN seems to put forward the idea of a sea controll carrier. So I doubt the USN would buy in the CVF programm since they have their own plans. But if they did, wich CVF version would the USN opt for ? The british sky jump or the french catapult, or perhaps a flat top without catapult?
If these sea controll carriers will be built in greater numbers, I could expect that the number of real CVNs will drop.

Scratch said:

Well with that new LHA design the USN seems to put forward the idea of a sea controll carrier. So I doubt the USN would buy in the CVF programm since they have their own plans. But if they did, wich CVF version would the USN opt for ? The british sky jump or the french catapult, or perhaps a flat top without catapult?
If these sea controll carriers will be built in greater numbers, I could expect that the number of real CVNs will drop.

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More than likey the French version with the catapults. Because the USN CVW's are heavy laden with Hornets. And the USN is buying F-35C..the Cv version. Of course the USMC will have the STVOL version...The F-35B





The USN would probally maintain at least 10 CVN's in this fansaty sceniaro.

Obi Wan or Planeman ..can you draw a USN CVF with one island? basically the French version with one island? Thanks!!!!

Obi Wan Russell said:

Here's an off the wall suggestion, how about bringing in the USN as a partner in the CVF project? Before anyone has a coronary, there is a degree of method in my madness. Increasing the project to a three nation deal would guarantee extra finance, lower risk and for the USN, they would be able to buy two CVFs for the price of ONE CVN ..

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Good idea, but I don't think it will happen as you suggest. If the USN likes the CVF class, they may order 1 or 2 in the UK &/or France- but new CVNs are the name of the game here, just like SSNs vs. SSKs. And in any case, RN, FN & USN carriers (big and small) are expected to deploy together in a crisis (as they were in the past conflicts) so there is already a division of labor.
UK & USA are the closest allies, and Japan is on her way to become the - any ideas how the future IJN CV will look like?

Obi Wan or Planeman ..can you draw a USN CVF with one island? basically the French version with one island? Thanks!!!![/QUOTE]



Ok how about this?:nana: :nono:

My thoughts were that this would be a way to return the USN to a 15 CV fleet, 10 CVNs and 5 CVFs. Newport News cannot do more than maintain existing numbers of CVNs, but the CVF could be built by more yards in the US in parallell with CVN construction. Five ships could be built in a fifteen to twenty year period where only two CVNs could be delivered. The deal could be very attractive to the US because all the design and development work has been done (and we know how much of the US defence budget is swallowed up by R&D) and for a relatively small sum (perhaps even a discount on JSF purchases) the plans could be sold by Britain to the US.

Excellent Jedi master Obi Wan! Excellent..

Love the name! USS Reprisal CV-80

You are so correct about the money spent on R & D. And spreading the work out to build these ships in other ship yards besides Newport News. They could be build in Mississippi along with the LHA(R) ships comming into service. Northrup-Grumman would not balk..they own the shipyard in Mississippi!.

Now how are we going to power this fine vessel? How about a team of LM 2500 gas turbines? Basically the the same powerplant as the Makin Island. or should the US go with the UK and French powerplant?

The catapults will be electro magnetic. As in CVN-78 class...

Just what sort of powerplant will the UK/French version have?

I believe the CVFs will have the new Rolls Royce WR-21 gas Turbine, which may have had partial US development funding so may replace the LM 2500 in due course aboard USN ships anyway. All I've heard about it is that it is a generation ahead of existing powerplants like the LM 2500 and the RR Olympus.



Forgot about the deck number. Also added some possible names, although I'd welcome other suggestions.

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The catapults will be electro magnetic. As in CVN-78 class...

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If you want that, you will probably have to have them powered by the new nuclear reactors the CVN-78 will have, otherwise you will not have enough electricity IMHO. Those reactors are said to provide 200-300% of the electrical power of the current reactors, making the Electro-magnetic cats (and others things) possible.

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Also added some possible names, although I'd welcome other suggestions.

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I like CV 93, USS Shanksville...but that's just me. Special dispensation on the hull number.

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If you want that, you will probably have to have them powered by the new nuclear reactors the CVN-78 will have, otherwise you will not have enough electricity IMHO. Those reactors are said to provide 200-300% of the electrical power of the current reactors, making the Electro-magnetic cats (and others things) possible.

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I was not aware of that? Perhaps there is or will be some sort of system to power them. Otherwise the ship will have have steam cats and produce steam.

So I assume the French will use steam cats.

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If you want that, you will probably have to have them powered by the new nuclear reactors the CVN-78 will have, otherwise you will not have enough electricity IMHO. Those reactors are said to provide 200-300% of the electrical power of the current reactors, making the Electro-magnetic cats (and others things) possible.

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If the existing GTDA (Gas Turbine Driven Alternator) powerplant has insufficient power for the emcats, then perhaps an auxilliary power source devoted to the cats could be provided. Perhaps each cat could have it's own GTDA devoted soley to it's use, alternatively a single reactor (a submarine type unit?) could be installed to keep the cats running. Obviously the purpose of this excercise is to avoid producing an alternative CVN. Also, remember only two emcats would be fitted as opposed to the four of a CVN, so less power would be required by comparison.

Knocked together a comparison picture .