Aircraft Carriers III

Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
I personally suspect that the USMC and USN might be a major helping hand for the RN carrier program in more than just F35Bs.
V22 Osprey' s ability to deliver additional engines/
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LOL at this point we might goback to the question of how many spare engines would really, and I mean really, not for journalists on board, be needed to be delivered by Ospreys;

my answer is none (just a justification to make the USN buy more Ospreys), yours is, if I recall correctly, 'plenty' (not an exact quote, and no, I don't try to speak for you)

TerraN_EmpirE said:
Spare parts/Biscuits from mother, on demand almost globally compared to the shorter (legged) slower Merlin or Chinook helicopters.
The Marines have been working on a roll on Tanking system to top off Lightning jump jets.
The Marines MUX program promises a drone AEW with longer range and higher altitudes than Merlin, would be smaller and cheaper then Osprey able to pull other missions to including ASW, ISR and strike well still being able to take off from a helipad or ride the ramp.
Both systems V22 and MUX were conceived specifically for operations off V/STOL carriers. And MUX even more so as it could cross deck off escorts to boot.
Optimally some of these should become part of the RN air wing but the British budget issues mean mostlikey if they do get accessed it would be though cross decking with the U.S. forces.
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anyway didn't notice a single Osprey planned until 2029 Thursday at 7:37 AM
Jura said:
didn't yet read
The Defence Equipment
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Jura said:
LOL at this point we might goback to the question of how many spare engines would really, and I mean really, not for journalists on board, be needed to be delivered by Ospreys;

my answer is none (just a justification to make the USN buy more Ospreys), yours is, if I recall correctly, 'plenty' (not an exact quote, and no, I don't try to speak for you)
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of course that entirely skips over the other three reasons for Carrier on board delivery. Crew mail IE "Biscuits from Mother" and other assorted spare parts. Things that also need prompt delivery. You can also add emergency evacuation of sick personal or crew transfer.
You fixated on engines as the only reason but failed to consider other mission sets.
Although regular resupply can happen it's not exactly the best use of time and material to wait for a replacement cockpit canopy (example) weeks well a otherwise functional F35B sits there.
Crew mail is a major morale booster and a happy crew is a better crew.
Finally if someone is sick or being transferred it's not always an option to make or wait for port call. And you can't off load them onto a supply ship that will take another week or two to make home port.
anyway didn't notice a single Osprey planned until 2029 Thursday at 7:37 AM
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Again you missed something of my statement. I said "Optimally some of these should become part of the RN air wing" should as in it would be best IF not Will.

Again top of my statement.
"I personally suspect that the USMC and USN might be a major helping hand for the RN carrier program in more than just F35Bs." And bottom of my statement "but the British budget issues mean mostlikey if they do get accessed it would be though cross decking with the U.S. forces."

In other words any use of Osprey operations in the manor described would be MV22Bs belonging to a USMC contingent operating attached to RN carriers or by the grace of the USN CMV22B supporting such like how the USN loaned two C2A Greyhound to the French Navy in 2011 to support there carrier ops in June of that year.
 
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Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

General
TerraN_EmpirE said:
of course that entirely skips over the other three reasons for Carrier on board delivery. Crew mail IE "Biscuits from Mother" and other assorted spare parts. Things that also need prompt delivery. You can also add emergency evacuation of sick personal or crew transfer.
You fixated on engines as the only reason but failed to consider other mission sets.
Although regular resupply can happen it's not exactly the best use of time and material to wait for a replacement cockpit canopy (example) weeks well a otherwise functional F35B sits there.
Crew mail is a major morale booster and a happy crew is a better crew.
Finally if someone is sick or being transferred it's not always an option to make or wait for port call. And you can't off load them onto a supply ship that will take another week or two to make home port.

Again you missed something of my statement. I said "Optimally some of these should become part of the RN air wing" should as in it would be best IF not Will.

Again top of my statement.
"I personally suspect that the USMC and USN might be a major helping hand for the RN carrier program in more than just F35Bs." And bottom of my statement "but the British budget issues mean mostlikey if they do get accessed it would be though cross decking with the U.S. forces."

In other words any use of Osprey operations in the manor described would be MV22Bs belonging to a USMC contingent operating attached to RN carriers or by the grace of the USN CMV22B supporting such like how the USN loaned two C2A Greyhound to the French Navy in 2011 to support there carrier ops in June of that year.
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"optimally" each Navy should get its own gear (except during WWThree) for its operations which are based on CONOPs developed by the particular Navy,

so for example the RN should not need the USMC aircraft for RN operations,

and for example the USMC should not need the RN deck for USMC operations (I repeat I don't talk WWThree plus I of course don't talk testing or emergencies like MEDEVAC etc.);

this independence is important not only from tactical point of view (availability of assets etc.),

but also because of ... let's call it geostrategy I mean what if one Force wanted to bomb some country and the other didn't, if you hear me
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Optimally yes. Which is more or less what I said.
However,
F35B full service is going to take time for the RN fleet wings where the USMC is faster in transition. In order to get the most out of the Queen Elizabeth class carrier air wing using USMC attachments helps spiral up training and mission capabilities.
The USMC doesn't really need to be on the RN carriers but the relationship between the U.S. and U.K. is such that it helps farther cement the alliance and gives both more deck time.

It is unlikely that the RN will feel secure in pushing for V22 until it feels that it is secure budget wise and can make a case off the addition.

MUX is still in early phase and not flying demos yet it is unlikely to be offered for export until at least post 2025.

And finally the USMC and RN would only operate forces on those carriers in concert.
 
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