Aircraft Carriers III

Bit of nostalgia here, ...
can't resist to share what's 'nostalgia' for me: leasing "Robin" (HMS Victorious) to the USN (1942/3)!

(definitely not funny, as the situation was bad for the USN in the Pacific at that time, plus the USMC had been left on Guadalcanal without air cover etc. etc.)

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USN and FAA Wildcats aboard HMS Victorious (USS Robin) while operating as a 'fighter carrier' in 1943. Picture thanks to David Reid
 
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Air Force Brat

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can't resist to share what's 'nostalgia' for me: leasing "Robin" (HMS Victorious) to the USN (1942/3)!

(definitely not funny, as the situation was bad for the USN in the Pacific at that time, plus the USMC had been left on Guadalcanal without air cover etc. etc.)

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Amazing, and very kool!
 

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HMS QE - FLIGHT DECK ACTION 20 AUG 18 - UK SW APPROACHES
The QE's flight deck scene earlier on Monday 20 Aug 18 in the UK South West sea approaches as the 3 new Merlin HCMk4 Commando Support Helicopters from 845NAS Furious Flight join the ship from RNAS Yeovilton and WESTLANT18 deployment. On the far aft is a single Merlin HM2 ASW aircraft of 820NAS who will provide ASW screening and other helicopter support during the deployment to the USA East coast and Caribbean waters until December 18.
Note also the aircraft movement serials appearing on one of the large FLYCO data screens on the forward face of the aft Island
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845NAS' sqn badge is the Dragonfly, Furious flight is named in honour of one of the world's first aircraft carriers, HMS Furious, which served in
Can't wait to see some F-35Bs on deck.
 

Jeff Head

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Bit of nostalgia here, Some USN A-7s, F-4s and A-6s cross decking to the Ark Royal back in the 70s:
View attachment 48496 View attachment 48497 View attachment 48498 View attachment 48500 View attachment 48501 Pretty relevant to the future as the QECs will regularly embark USMC F-35Bs and helos/tilt rotors alongside UK aircraft.
Early in my career I worked on the A-7 at Vought.

Those were great times...working in the design department there before any CAD terminals (or other computers) were around. All was drafting and it was a great thing to learn.

Then I talked Vought into sending me to BYU who had set up the first CAE/CAD/CAM Enginerring degree program.

Doing that dueled the next 20 years of my career.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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Early in my career I worked on the A-7 at Vought.

Those were great times...working in the design department there before any CAD terminals (or other computers) were around. All was drafting and it was a great thing to learn.

Then I talked Vought into sending me to BYU who had set up the first CAE/CAD/CAM Enginerring degree program.

Doing that dueled the next 20 years of my career.
I was trained to be a design engineer back in the late 80s (86-88), on pencil and paper no less. Computers were on the way, but the course I was on was the last year to do things the old way. I had a knack for it though, I used to finish the day's lesson and exercise in half the time allotted and then was often 'drafted' to be a teaching assistant and help the other students (it was a general engineering course, and only two of us in it were actually draftsmen at heart). Really enjoyed it but because of the swift rise in computing in the industry my skill set was practically obsolete when I left college, and the recession of the 80s meant there were no vacancies or apprenticeships available either. Hence I ended up doing many other jobs instead before settling into a 25 year career as a 'Transport and Logistics Executive'. That's Truck Driver to the rest of you. I still think like an engineer, I still approach problems with a cold calm analytical frame of mind and almost subconsciously start gathering facts surrounding the situation. I value the training greatly to this day.

Regarding HMS Victorious service as 'USS Robin', it was a time in the Pacific War when the USN was effectively down to one carrier (USS Saratoga). Enterprise was in dock for major repairs, Wasp, Hornet and Yorktown had been sunk and the first of the Essex class were still up to six months from completion. Possibly difficult to believe nowadays, but the US Government begged the UK for the loan of one Fleet Carrier to cover the gap (in case Saratoga was lost too) and we obliged with HMS Victorious, which was sent across the pond to receive some modifications at Norfolk (including new galleries for 20mm AA guns, replacing the extended roundown/ramp at the stern to extend the flight deck, two extra arrestor wires and at at least one Coke bottle dispenser. Seriously. The crew were issued with US Navy style Uniforms (denim shirts and trousers for the Ratings and the Khaki uniforms for the officers, all with RN rank and other badges), which were adopted by the RN afterwards as no. 8 working dress. after two months at Norfolk she re embarked her air group which had re equipped with 2 sqns of Wildcats and one of Avengers (all painted with USN markings), and headed through the panama canal for Pearl Harbour. She received an overall dark blue camo scheme in common with many USN ships as well as a third 'elevator' amidships, which was just a lighter painted square on the flight deck to confuse any Japanese pilots. It was thought it would encourage them to aim their bombs there... right in the middle of the armoured flight deck!

She was partnered up with the 'Sara' and it was decided to swap some aircraft over, the Avengers of 832NAS went to Saratoga whilst some of Sara's Wildcats went to Vic to fill her up. Vic was to act as a fighter carrier whilst Sara covered the strike role. The arrangement worked well, particularly as at the time, the RN carriers were considered to have superior fighter control facilities and techniques which the USN were keen to observe and copy, which they did. After several months working together successfully, Enterprise was ready to recommission and the first few Essex class were working up too, so Victorious was released to return to the Atlantic and Med, so ending the career of 'USS Robin'.15390938_1261872197193048_5046442200533124852_n.jpg 1451371157798.jpg 1451370884805.jpg SCAN0084.jpg USN VF-3 Wildcat pilots aboard HMS VICTORIOUS.jpg
In the last picture are the Wildcat pilots of VF-3 aboard Victorious, and this serves as an excellent foreshadowing of future combined RN/USMC operations aboard the QECs.
 

Air Force Brat

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I was trained to be a design engineer back in the late 80s (86-88), on pencil and paper no less. Computers were on the way, but the course I was on was the last year to do things the old way. I had a knack for it though, I used to finish the day's lesson and exercise in half the time allotted and then was often 'drafted' to be a teaching assistant and help the other students (it was a general engineering course, and only two of us in it were actually draftsmen at heart). Really enjoyed it but because of the swift rise in computing in the industry my skill set was practically obsolete when I left college, and the recession of the 80s meant there were no vacancies or apprenticeships available either. Hence I ended up doing many other jobs instead before settling into a 25 year career as a 'Transport and Logistics Executive'. That's Truck Driver to the rest of you. I still think like an engineer, I still approach problems with a cold calm analytical frame of mind and almost subconsciously start gathering facts surrounding the situation. I value the training greatly to this day.

Regarding HMS Victorious service as 'USS Robin', it was a time in the Pacific War when the USN was effectively down to one carrier (USS Saratoga). Enterprise was in dock for major repairs, Wasp, Hornet and Yorktown had been sunk and the first of the Essex class were still up to six months from completion. Possibly difficult to believe nowadays, but the US Government begged the UK for the loan of one Fleet Carrier to cover the gap (in case Saratoga was lost too) and we obliged with HMS Victorious, which was sent across the pond to receive some modifications at Norfolk (including new galleries for 20mm AA guns, replacing the extended roundown/ramp at the stern to extend the flight deck, two extra arrestor wires and at at least one Coke bottle dispenser. Seriously. The crew were issued with US Navy style Uniforms (denim shirts and trousers for the Ratings and the Khaki uniforms for the officers, all with RN rank and other badges), which were adopted by the RN afterwards as no. 8 working dress. after two months at Norfolk she re embarked her air group which had re equipped with 2 sqns of Wildcats and one of Avengers (all painted with USN markings), and headed through the panama canal for Pearl Harbour. She received an overall dark blue camo scheme in common with many USN ships as well as a third 'elevator' amidships, which was just a lighter painted square on the flight deck to confuse any Japanese pilots. It was thought it would encourage them to aim their bombs there... right in the middle of the armoured flight deck!

She was partnered up with the 'Sara' and it was decided to swap some aircraft over, the Avengers of 832NAS went to Saratoga whilst some of Sara's Wildcats went to Vic to fill her up. Vic was to act as a fighter carrier whilst Sara covered the strike role. The arrangement worked well, particularly as at the time, the RN carriers were considered to have superior fighter control facilities and techniques which the USN were keen to observe and copy, which they did. After several months working together successfully, Enterprise was ready to recommission and the first few Essex class were working up too, so Victorious was released to return to the Atlantic and Med, so ending the career of 'USS Robin'.View attachment 48507 View attachment 48508 View attachment 48509 View attachment 48510 View attachment 48511
In the last picture are the Wildcat pilots of VF-3 aboard Victorious, and this serves as an excellent foreshadowing of future combined RN/USMC operations aboard the QECs.

Very interesting, I had honestly never heard this, thank you once again Gentlemen, for providing the insight that helps us keep it all straight.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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The period I was referring to was the first half of 1943 if memory serves. Whist the Saratoga/Victorious (USS Robin) Task force didn't engage in any major or famous battles, they did carry out a number of offensive operations against Japanese island forces and shipping, and whilst the USN was on the back foot after intensive combat from the previous year, the Japanese Navy was also licking it's wounds and regrouping too. The difference being the Japanese had no ally able to lend them a carrier or two and their emergency shipbuilding programme and aircrew training programme were woefully inadequate compared to the USA. The Essex class was proceeding apace with over 24 units on order, whereas the Japanese nearest equivalent Fleet Carrier replacement programme, the Unryu class numbered only six units, of which only three were completed before the war ended.JCVAmagiUnryu1.gif unryu.jpg
 
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