Aircraft Carriers III

Obi Wan Russell

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And QE's trials have included practicing for the LPH role, though so far only with the Chinooks and the Merlin HM2s, not the HC3/4s aboard:28336399_10155141147031481_6608700960643389389_o.jpg She's currently expected back in Pompey tomorrow, to prepare for the next phase of trials.
 
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MSDF helicopter flattop Izumo designed as aircraft carrier

February 23, 2018
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Despite the Defense Ministry's denial that the helicopter carrier Izumo, launched in 2015, was planned to be refitted into an aircraft carrier, former Maritime Self-Defense Force executives confirmed that that is how the blueprints were drawn up.

“It is only reasonable to design (the Izumo) with the prospect of possible changes of the circumstances in the decades ahead,” a then MSDF executive told The Asahi Shimbun. “We viewed that whether the Izumo should be actually refitted could be decided by the government.”

The former executive said a consensus was reached privately among the MSDF that the Izumo should be considered for conversion into an aircraft carrier. But the MSDF couldn't explain the need publicly due to the government's view that aircraft carriers capable of launching large-scale attacks are equivalent to the military capability prohibited by the war-renouncing Article 9 of the Constitution.

Ever since the Izumo's construction, experts both in and outside Japan have pointed out the possibility of turning it into a full-fledged aircraft carrier.

However, the Defense Ministry publicly denied any plan to deploy fighter jets with strike capabilities on the Izumo and contended that it was not an aircraft carrier.

The ministry has since done an abrupt about-face and now is mulling the possibility of refitting the vessel into an aircraft carrier.

Such a reversal has inevitably raised suspicions that the ministry had this plan in mind from the beginning.

Refitting the Izumo, the Maritime Self-Defense Force's largest vessel, into an aircraft carrier had been considered since late 2000 to bolster the nation's defenses against China’s increasing maritime advances around Japan’s southwestern islands, according to the MSDF executives.

Equipped with a flat deck from bow to stern, helicopters can land on and take off off from the five spots of the flight deck at a time. The Izumo's basic design was formulated from 2006 through 2008.

In 2008, Chinese naval vessels and other warships passing through the waters between the main Okinawa island and Miyakojima island, which lies to the southwest, were spotted for the first time. At that time Chinese government vessels intruding on Japan’s territorial waters became common.

According to MSDF executives at that time, the MSDF saw the need to secure Japan’s competitive edge in the airspace to counter possible China’s maritime expansion in the East China Sea.

However, the runway at the Air Self-Defense Force Naha Base is the only one that allows ASDF aircraft to take off and land in and around Okinawa.

Therefore “the plan to construct the Izumo was settled with its future conversion in mind to prepare for any possible contingency of the unavailability of the ASDF Naha Base,” according to one of the executives.

In those days, the U.S. F-35B stealth fighters, which could take off and land vertically, were in development, leading to a design conception of the Izumo on the premise that it could be converted to handle landings and takeoffs of the F-35B and other aircraft, such as the Osprey transport aircraft.

The approximately 250-meter long Izumo’s elevator connecting the deck with the hangar was designed to accommodate the F-35B fighter, which measures about 15 meters in length and about 11 meters in width.

Paint that can withstand the exhaust heat generated from F-35 fighter jets during landings and takeoffs was selected for the deck of the Izumo. It has also been expected to retrofit the Izumo with a sloping deck for takeoffs, the former MSDF executives said.

If the Izumo is converted to enable landings and takeoffs of the F-35B, the vessel can be utilized to refuel U.S. stealth fighter jets anywhere in the world at any time, including during military emergencies under the new national security legislation.

Even if it is designated a “defensive” aircraft carrier or with some other terminology, the refitted Izumo would be a vessel capable of attacking enemy targets.
 
I recall arguing this very point some years ago that the Izumos and by extension the Hyugas had an inherent ability to operate F-35Bs, and lo and behold, they have admitted I was right... (much smug smirking ensues). Trust me, I know stuff. ;):)
yeah and I still think F-35 on the Izumos/Hyugas is FANBOISH BUNK
May 15, 2015
... I've read (in a Czech military journal) the width of the elevators on Japanese Helicopter Destroyers is 10.9 m, while the F-35B wingspan is 35 feet ... now I have to convert it :) 35ft= 10.66800m ... a tight fit
 

hkbc

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yeah and I still think F-35 on the Izumos/Hyugas is FANBOISH BUNK
May 15, 2015
Nah, where there's a will there's a way, they'll just raze the top half of it and rebuild it! They have form in this area remember the Kaga and Akagi :) or they were just been creative with the elevator dimensions like the "40 cm/45 Type 94 naval gun" that's actually a 460mm calibre :)
 

Obi Wan Russell

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yeah and I still think F-35 on the Izumos/Hyugas is FANBOISH BUNK
May 15, 2015
Well, you're wrong and that's all there is to it!;)

Even the Japanese Government has admitted it as a design requirement for the ships. I've long believed the four Japanese flat tops were a response to China's efforts to join the carrier club and the 'helo only' stance so far was a way to placate any potential opposition at home, whilst still sending a message to the Chinese that Japan can if it chose switch the ships to F-35B operations a lot quicker than China can build new carriers. Now that China's second carrier is about to start sea trials, Japan is feeling justified in admitting publicly their 'carriers' can be upgraded. That's effectively increased their potential Naval firepower without spending a single yen. It's all about 'Face' in that part of the world...
 
Well, you're wrong and that's all there is to it!;)

Even the Japanese Government has admitted it as a design requirement for the ships. I've long believed the four Japanese flat tops were a response to China's efforts to join the carrier club and the 'helo only' stance so far was a way to placate any potential opposition at home, whilst still sending a message to the Chinese that Japan can if it chose switch the ships to F-35B operations a lot quicker than China can build new carriers. Now that China's second carrier is about to start sea trials, Japan is feeling justified in admitting publicly their 'carriers' can be upgraded. That's effectively increased their potential Naval firepower without spending a single yen. It's all about 'Face' in that part of the world...
then say the year when, according to you, either of the the Izumos/Hyugas will operate F-35s:
 

Obi Wan Russell

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then say the year when, according to you, either of the the Izumos/Hyugas will operate F-35s:
They might never operate them; the point is they reserve the right and have the realistic capability to do so in response to China's escalation of the threat level (through deploying carrier strike groups) in the region. In the meantime they can maintain their 'peaceful and defensive only' posture and portray the Chinese as the aggressors.
 
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