Jura The idiot
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hey mattd, well, I just copy-pasted what I found and thought was relevant here ... but you can give me Like
Aircraft Carriers III
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hey mattd, well, I just copy-pasted what I found and thought was relevant here ... but you can give me Like
On Jura's point three, apparently the two Mistrals only Russian equipment is the communications fit; weapon systems were to have been fitted after delivery to the Russians. Now the coms gear is now going to be removed and returned to Russia. Agree on the other points. We have no need for these ships, our amphibious needs are met by an LPH (Ocean, to be replaced by the QECs as required) and two LPDs (Albion and Bulwark), both still relatively young with plenty of life left in them. Indeed Albion has been temporarily mothballed with barely ten years sea time 'on the clock', and is expected to be rotated in and out of reserve with her sister Bulwark in much the same pattern as their predecessors Fearless and Intrepid were from the mid 70s onwards.
If there was a perceived (in political circles) need to increase UK amphibious lift capability, Albion would be brought forward from reserve and Ocean extended long before any thought was given to buying either or both of the Mistrals. I still expect them to be sold as operational warships, the French are resourceful and tenacious in this respect, I just have no idea who they might end up with and look forward to being pleasantly surprised when the news finally emerges. Unless it's China, or Brazil, or Argentina (ok only kidding about that one!).
If there was a perceived (in political circles) need to increase UK amphibious lift capability, Albion would be brought forward from reserve and Ocean extended long before any thought was given to buying either or both of the Mistrals. I still expect them to be sold as operational warships, the French are resourceful and tenacious in this respect, I just have no idea who they might end up with and look forward to being pleasantly surprised when the news finally emerges. Unless it's China, or Brazil, or Argentina (ok only kidding about that one!).
Please provide more than a link for such stories shen.
The Rules forbid single line posts and we are usually lenient, but there should be a title, and at least part of the story.
As to that story, though Sao Paulo may be getting some maintenance work done, it is unclear now hpw much there will be.
Why? Because a couple of months ago there was a report that the Sao Paulo's major modernization was going to be nixed according to naval officials in Brazil. As reported by MirageDriver on the Brazilian Military News Thread:
MirageDrive said:Officials rule out the modernization of the problematic Brazilian Navy aircraft carrier Sao Paulo
(Defensa.com) According to the media group Globo, a significant group of Brazilian naval officers rule out A-12 modernization because that process would consume about 400 million to keep alive a ship built in 1960 and has gone, since 2000 when it was acquired for France as "Marshal Foch" nearly 11 years in dock or in port areas, suffering accidents and incidents, some of them of dubious explanation that have cost several lives and prestige around the boat, which recorded a much lower use than its predecessor, the A-11 "Minas Gerais", and soaring operating costs versus their poor navigation.
Currently the engineering and naval architecture based in Houston, Zentech, conducted a comprehensive inspection and evaluation of the steel hull of the aircraft carrier "São Paulo", assessing the possible update of the flagship of the Brazilian Navy. The initial work involves inspecting Zentech corrosion, condition assessment and the detailed analysis of the integrity of the hull, including the recreation of 3D models to accurately see the results of the hull, measuring the ship for more detailed analytical work and, in the final analysis, provide recommendations on the possible replacement of steel, costly process on which there are diverse opinions.
On the other hand, would have been recorded operational difficulties with the current series of radars Scanter 4100 to equip ocean patrol class "Amazon" (program discontinued by BAE, and originally intended to Trinidad & Tobago), it is ignored if attributable to the system, lack of training or technical documentation. In addition, there are strong doubts about whether the sudden deprogramming of the Corvette V-33 "Frontin" - only 10 years after being incorporada- could be due to avoidable mistakes maintenance, within a panorama that is complicated not only by rumors to suggest that Embraer would not have received funding to continue the modernization of naval A-4 (program does not seem high priority for any of those involved), but by the recent breakdown in the mission to Port au Prince Dam Landing Ship ( NDD) "Ceará" - former USS "Hermitage" - registering a widespread failure engines and seriously affecting their electrical systems, leaving him almost drifting off the coast of French Guyana.
The ship is being towed to the city of Belém, whose naval base will be repaired, while the NDCC "Almirante Saboia" resume the mission, moving to Haiti to contingent of naval riflemen and suppliers endowment Brazilian MINUSTAH.
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Right now, we are not sure exactly what they are doing to her.
We had all hoped that that major modernization was going to occur.
Read this in that article..
No insult intended towards Brasil...
....after reading this article I'd say this ship is done. It would be a waste of money to re-it this ship. Time for a new CV. No I don't know if they could build one or would thay have to procure another CV from a friendly country.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Its either new CV or no CV.
So do they keep there investments in carrier operations or scrap it?
So do they keep there investments in carrier operations or scrap it?
shen
Senior Member
BD, IMO even if Brazil only refit the Sao Paulo to the point of being able to operate it 3 months out the year, it is still worth it to keep it. As you know, carrier operation is complex business. Look how long it is taking PLAN to learn it from scratch. It would be a shame if Brazil lose the institutional experience they have gained over the years. Even with a barely operational carrier, the ship and air crews can still train and pass on their experiences to the next generation, until the day the country can build a fully functional carrier. IRC, Brazil also have an agreement to help keep the Argentinian carriers pilots certified.
Well the articel says "3 months between maintenance periods," NOT three months total in 14 years. Those are two very different things.
But even that is bad.
But, despite apparently deciding to not do the major refit, they are still doing maintenance work.
In addition to that, we do know that they are in the midst of a huge modernization for their A-4s, which operate off of her, and are currently having those Turbo-Trackers being modernized for them in Texas, which will also operate off of her.
My estimation from all of this is that they will continue using the Sao Paulo for training of their air crews and then to qualify these modernized aircraft.
They will use her as such, with very limited exercise deployments until such time as they get a new carrier. The upgraded turbo Trackers (both a tanker and an AEW version) will operate off the new carrier. And the -4s will too until such time as the Sea Gripens come on.
But even that is bad.
But, despite apparently deciding to not do the major refit, they are still doing maintenance work.
In addition to that, we do know that they are in the midst of a huge modernization for their A-4s, which operate off of her, and are currently having those Turbo-Trackers being modernized for them in Texas, which will also operate off of her.
My estimation from all of this is that they will continue using the Sao Paulo for training of their air crews and then to qualify these modernized aircraft.
They will use her as such, with very limited exercise deployments until such time as they get a new carrier. The upgraded turbo Trackers (both a tanker and an AEW version) will operate off the new carrier. And the -4s will too until such time as the Sea Gripens come on.
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navyreco
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Russia’s Future Aircraft Carrier Project 23000E Storm Will Be Nuclear-Powered According to OCK
Personally I think it may be a difficult project for Russi. Building two halves of a Mistral class under close supervision of DCNS (who said it wasn't always "easy") is one thing... but a 80,000 + tons CVN...
Personally I think it may be a difficult project for Russi. Building two halves of a Mistral class under close supervision of DCNS (who said it wasn't always "easy") is one thing... but a 80,000 + tons CVN...