Aircraft Carriers III
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Here's the type of air ops that have been done on the USS Ford so far. Basically quite a few helos...but they have run some approaches and close fly overs with Super Hornets...which means they have been testing the approach radars, sensors, equipment, and probably the basic landing guidance.
Soon, we will see them set down on deck and I am excited about when that day comes...the sooner the better:
Soon, we will see them set down on deck and I am excited about when that day comes...the sooner the better:
Ths would be a good idea.
But I would [propose an America with simply adding the following:
4 x AEW Ospreys
4 x ASW Opsreys
4 x Tamker Ospreys
40 x F-35B aircraft
All of these could be operated off the America class as is, and we just build six more of those.
MUCH less cost than adding the cats to that LHA design, and with the Osprey variants for AEW and ASW you get just about everything you would be putting the cats in place to produce.
@bd popeye @Obi Wan Russell @FORBIN @Air Force Brat @Iron Man @Jura
Guys, let me know what you think of the following in light of the talk about "light carriers" for the US NAvy.
I think we should and could easily make them. I thin adding cats to an America is unneeded and would require significant redesign and cost that is unneeded in light of other things we could do to achieve the same effect, and also improve every jump jet deck out there.
Here's what we do. We could produce as strong a combatant (IMHO) as the QE Class by sim[ply doing the following:
Develop each of these:
AEW V-22 Osprey
ASW V-22 Osprey
Tanker V-22 Osprey
Then build six more of the America class Escort carrier with no provision for Air Assault or vehicle decks. Make the hanger the full size possible on an America...full length with splitting it into three sections, and add one extra elevator forward.
Then fitted out with an airwing of the following:
4 x AEW Opreys
4 x ASW Opreys
4 x Tanker Ospreys
4 x MH-60R HElos
36+ F-35Bs
That carrier, with the much better AEW and ASW defense capabilities, and the F-35Bs, would be a very powerful carrier and it would allow the least amount of extra cost and design than adding cats to the America.
You might add a ramp at the end of the deck to better assist in rolling take offs.
I am considering writing a detailed paper to the USNI recommending the same.
A GREAT thing about it would be that ANY jump jet carrier like the QE, the Dokdo, the Canberras, the Cavour, the Juan Carlos, the Hyugas and Izumos, and of course our Wasps and other America class could benefit from all of those types of Ospreys at any time.
Guys, let me know what you think of the following in light of the talk about "light carriers" for the US NAvy.
I think we should and could easily make them. I thin adding cats to an America is unneeded and would require significant redesign and cost that is unneeded in light of other things we could do to achieve the same effect, and also improve every jump jet deck out there.
Here's what we do. We could produce as strong a combatant (IMHO) as the QE Class by sim[ply doing the following:
Develop each of these:
AEW V-22 Osprey
ASW V-22 Osprey
Tanker V-22 Osprey
Then build six more of the America class Escort carrier with no provision for Air Assault or vehicle decks. Make the hanger the full size possible on an America...full length with splitting it into three sections, and add one extra elevator forward.
Then fitted out with an airwing of the following:
4 x AEW Opreys
4 x ASW Opreys
4 x Tanker Ospreys
4 x MH-60R HElos
36+ F-35Bs
That carrier, with the much better AEW and ASW defense capabilities, and the F-35Bs, would be a very powerful carrier and it would allow the least amount of extra cost and design than adding cats to the America.
You might add a ramp at the end of the deck to better assist in rolling take offs.
I am considering writing a detailed paper to the USNI recommending the same.
A GREAT thing about it would be that ANY jump jet carrier like the QE, the Dokdo, the Canberras, the Cavour, the Juan Carlos, the Hyugas and Izumos, and of course our Wasps and other America class could benefit from all of those types of Ospreys at any time.
The idea is very good Jeff. In reality you are advocating a return to the Sea Control Ship concept developed by Admiral Elmo Zumwalt during the 70s.
It is true that an American CVN is a heavy piece of diplomacy and military might but sometimes you don't need a Maul when an small hammer is enough.
Something like the WWII "Jeep Carriers" is potent enough to:
a) Cover a reasonable area in escort ops
b) Provide resources for Interdiction ops, land attack ops or assault ops in low risk sceneries.
They only thing I see is that for a Light Carrier concept like this you would have to change the shape of the hull. The LHDs/LHAs are basically landing ships in which the main requirement is internal volume but other considerations are secondary (speed, stability,...)
The are less stable than other ships whose hull has been specifically developed for air ops.
For a light carrier concept like this I think the standard should be the Izumo class. The only thing I don't like is the forward lift placement. It interrupts air operations. It should be moved a little more to starbord in order to free place for STOVL planes.
And also, I agree, an Ski jump is a must.
QE docked at Invergordon:
PoW: The scaffolding is coming down quickly, possibly in preparation for launching:
PoW: The scaffolding is coming down quickly, possibly in preparation for launching:
Jura The idiot
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Jul 4, 2017
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread Today at 7:59 AM
let's look again what you "know for sure"; I asked:
Jul 4, 2017
Jul 4, 2017
Jul 4, 2017
the link which would imply two thousand square meters of the deck of the QE-class are covered by thermal coating is ...
(either you have it, or you don't)
I go back to this since you kinda linked me to conspiracies in
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread Today at 7:59 AM
let's look again what you "know for sure"; I asked:
Jul 4, 2017
you answered:
Jul 4, 2017
so I asked again:
Jul 4, 2017
and I now ask for the last time:
the link which would imply two thousand square meters of the deck of the QE-class are covered by thermal coating is ...
(either you have it, or you don't)
