Aircraft Carriers III

Obi Wan Russell

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You’re just like me AFB. People say I’m intelligent. Personally I don’t see it since I doubt myself and second guess.
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Again the term is being confused. The British Media commonly uses the term scrapped to mean a project is cancelled or something is ended. This can be very misleading as to the final intention of the ship's fate. There has been no statement to the effect that Ocean would be sent to the Breakers Yard immediately after leaving RN service, and the term 'Scrapped' is often used in an emotive sense by the media in order to generate more interest in such a story. UK news outlets (including the BBC) generally use the term Scrapped when anyone else would say cancelled, e.g. 'Plans for a new hospital have been scrapped.' It's just another quirk of how the English use the English language.

Although the UK Government sends far too many warships to the Breakers yard before their time as a rule, if they think there is a possibility of a sale as a going concern they will grasp it with both hands. Selling a second hand warship doesn't in itself generate much money for the Treasury, it does however generate ongoing maintenance and support contracts for UK businesses and thus boosts tax revenues.
it's interesting how you're trying to be precise about one word (the one which you apparently didn't like in my post Yesterday at 8:47 PM
I somehow missed in your post an explanation of "a £65m refit of HMS Ocean"
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in 2014 = four years before scrapping
and I then showed you it inside USNI News Yesterday at 9:31 PM
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27. 11. 2015 U.K. Royal Navy Making Plans to Scrap Flagship HMS
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"Ocean The U.K. Royal Navy flagship — the amphibious assault ship HMS Ocean (L12) — is slated for scraping in 2018, the U.K. Ministry of Defence confirmed this week. ..."
), BUT AT THE SAME TIME after I had quoted the official about your favorite stuff Monday at 9:40 PM
... Answer first: "The V-22 Osprey is not part of the resourced plan to deliver the UK Carrier Strike capability. However, the Ministry of Defence will continue to explore a variety of options to augment the capabilities of the Queen Elizabeth Class carriers in future."

Question was: "To ask Her Majesty’s Government what consideration they have given to purchasing V-22 Ospreys for use by the special forces."

Military Aircraft: Procurement:Written question - HL6058
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you provided this "interpretation"
Monday at 11:07 PM
Which is the official way of saying 'it's not something we can afford at the moment but if the money becomes available things may change...'

In the meantime, as already reported the RN will effectively 'borrow' Ospreys and Lightnings from the USMC for the next few years to fill the decks of the carriers. Once the capability has been demonstrated in service, it may well be possible to make a case for the purchase of these aircraft.

OK and what is my point? English is my third language, so I just make casual comments here (it would take me too much time to cover language nuances, heck it's Military Forum here), and I was surprised my choice of one word was called out, while I see pipe dreams discussed here

I hope I explained the situation, now I'll go backwards and attack Likes to those posts (which I didn't like :) and leave it
 
Yesterday at 7:06 AM
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Naval Aviation: Full-Year CR Would Shut Down Half Their Squadrons; Need Supplemental Funding For Readiness
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I don't think I saw retention issues of the US naval aviation officially mentioned before
while
Navy looking to shell out big bucks to keep pilots
The Navy plans to shell out big bucks to aviators as retention starts to fray among fighter pilots and others, the Navy’s personnel boss told Congress Wednesday.

Vice Adm. Robert Burke, the chief of naval personnel, said some pilots could soon be getting a boost to their retention bonuses as the Navy tries to fend off competition from the airline industry and quell growing frustration and pilot concerns over a lack of flying hours and broken aircraft.

The proposed adjustments could put another $25,000 in the pockets of officers if they accept the bonus.

According to Burke, boosts will be aimed at retaining officers up for their department head tours — typically O-4s — and post-command aviators — O-5s and O-6s — Burke said.

In an email to Navy Times, Burke’s spokesman said overall retention is good in the aviation community.

“While Naval Aviation continues to meet all fleet requirements with highly qualified pilots and [naval flight officers], the long term health of some specific communities is being challenged,” said Lt. Cmdr. Nathan Christensen.

“We have cause for concern based on some leading indicators for retention behavior in several communities, notably Electronic Attack (VAQ), Strike Fighter (VFA), and Helicopter Mine Countermeasure (HM) pilots at the Lieutenant Commander rank,” Christensen said. “Additionally, we are concerned about overall retention of aviators after their first command tour (both Commanders and Captains).”

The big winners in the bonus boost are the fighter and electronic attack pilots, whose bonus is slated to jump from $125,000 to $150,000 over their term. The mine countermeasures pilots will see a boost from $75,000 to $100,000.

“It is absolutely vital that we continue to retain mid-level and senior aviators across all aviation communities, capitalizing on their experience, leadership, and the multi-million dollar investment they represent to ensure maximum combat readiness,” Christensen said.

Burke told the House Armed Services Committee hearing that continued budget cuts were eating away at maintenance budgets and causing shortfalls in training dollars. That means fewer flying hours for pilots.

“Naval aviators have expressed dissatisfaction with quality of service resulting from readiness challenges associated with limited aircraft availability and reduced flying hours while not deployed, which have inhibited timely attainment of tactical qualifications and subsequent career progression,” Burke said in his opening statement.

The head of Marine Corps personnel, Lt. Gen. Mark Brilakis, told the panel that he was seeing similar complaints in his service and that a crushing 2:1 dwell ratio was also impacting retention among pilots and maintainers.

“It’s not about money, it’s about doing what they came into the Marine Corps to do, which is to fly airplanes, to fix airplanes and serve those aircraft,” Brilakis said. “They want more time to fly, they want more parts to fix, and they’d like a little more time at home.”
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Obi Wan Russell

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it's interesting how you're trying to be precise about one word (the one which you apparently didn't like in my post Yesterday at 8:47 PM
and I then showed you it inside USNI News Yesterday at 9:31 PM
), BUT AT THE SAME TIME after I had quoted the official about your favorite stuff Monday at 9:40 PM


you provided this "interpretation"
Monday at 11:07 PM


OK and what is my point? English is my third language, so I just make casual comments here (it would take me too much time to cover language nuances, heck it's Military Forum here), and I was surprised my choice of one word was called out, while I see pipe dreams discussed here

I hope I explained the situation, now I'll go backwards and attack Likes to those posts (which I didn't like :) and leave it
English is a confusing language at the best of times, lot's of nuance and interpretation. Context is everything. The Americans have been using English for several centuries and still haven't got the hang of it! ;):Do_O
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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"The Lightning Carrier concept" it's basically the resurrection of the
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. The body of which is basically what some have been advocating as a counter to the issues of Sea denial. using a smaller lighter less expensive LHA to serve as a baby carrier. I think Jeff used it heavily in his book.
Infact I think a bunch of us have been kicking around the Idea. only change is this is not a dreamy eyed forum member but the USMC command!

Yep, I gotta chuckle, I was one of those knot-headed critics of the F-35, particularly I almost hated the B model, but guess what?? The B stands for Babe, she is the Marines Babe of the Bunch, they are gonna go all in with this chick, and she does make the "baby carrier" a force to be reckoned with, you can take that boat places you wouldn't dream of operating a Nimitz or a Ford?....

and of all the operators of the F-35, those Marines are doing it right, JON DAVIS is DA MAN! Nice to have real man heading up Aviation in one of our branches, the Air Force is in second place as usual, and the Navy are dragon their cans. Really I can't believe the Navy's poor motivation on the F-35, but they are so stretched on the Subs and Carriers, they really don't have the jack to buy the airplane that will keep them in the fight. Growlers and 4 Gens are excellent today, tomorrow they are gonna be in real trouble?

and where is the Ford??? dang, whuts up wit dat?
well little more cover of the Lightning Carrier.
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Lightningcarrier.jpeg
 

bd popeye

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Well it is 1550 CSDST in the US and GRF (CVN 78) has still not gotten underway...another FAIL...

WE should start taking bets when she will get underway..I say before the 4th of July for first sea trails and commissioning around Christmas this year whether she's ready or not.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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well little more cover of the Lightning Carrier.
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I had my own ideas on how the USN could go about a medium sized F-35B carrier based on the current America class design a few years ago, that is if they were serious about providing such a supplementary capability (to the CVNs):america-02a.JPG america-03a.JPG lhar02.jpg If you are going to do it, do it right! Of course they could just licence build a few CVF derivatives! Orders for which could be put out to competitive tender at any of several shipyards in the USA.04a_Reveal_2nd_Ship360.jpg Imagine a future USN task Force centered on either a Nimitz or a Ford class CVN flanked by a pair of USN CVFs loaded up with USMC F-35Bs and V-22s. In a few years I believe we'll get a taste of something similar when Big Liz deploys with a mixed UK/US air group, and at some point is bound to meet up with a USN Carrier Strike Group for a PHOTEX at the very least, and most likely a good deal more besides...
 

Jeff Head

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Well, I expect the Ford, CVN-78, will go to sea in April...[perhaps mid month. I expect she will be accepted by the Navy after another set or two of builders sea trials by the end of the year. But then I expect the Navy will do more trials before commissioning sometime next year...maybe mid-year, maybe later.

Then she will reach IOC in 2020 or so.

Having said all of that, she has been in the water and moved around a bit on the JAmes River. Here are some of her latest pics the last time she did:

CVN-78-01.jpg CVN-78-02.jpg CVN-78-03.jpg CVN-78-04.jpg CVN-78-05.jpg

She is a beautiful carrier, but does have the appearance of a large aft end...but that gives her machinist and maintenance and planning people more room.

We see from those pics that she has her full self defense armament of two ESSM launchers, two RAM launchers and two Phalanx CIWS installed. Basically one RAM launcher, one ESSM launcher, and one Phalanx aft, and the same forward.

The RAM is on the starboard side aft and the RAM is on the stern, with the ESSSM on the port quarter aft. Forward, it is just the opposite. The RAM is on the port forward quarter, and the ESSM and Phalanx are on the starboard forward quarter.
 
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