Miragedriver
Brigadier
It is becoming increasingly more perilous to be a fighter pilot in the current electronic warfare environment. Especially in an older aircraft.
Aircraft Carriers III
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Miragedriver
Brigadier
As the time for her decommissioning approaches, the rumours have started:
"HMS Ocean reportedly offered for sale to Brazil
According to local media in Brazil, the Ministry of Defence have offered HMS Ocean for sale to the South American country.
The article, claims that Brazilian officials believe that the price seemed “reasonable” and the Brazilian Navy are examining the prospect “with cautious optimism”....
HMS Ocean is the UK’s only helicopter carrier and the fleet flagship of the Royal Navy. She is designed to support amphibious landing operations and to support the staff of Commander UK Amphibious Force and Commander UK Landing Force.
According to someone we spoke to currently on-board the vessel, there are rumours that this is one of a number of possibilities:
“People have been talking about what will happen to the ship after 2018, there were rumours that the vessel might be sold to another navy but there’s been no mention of what navy that might be.”
The helicopter carrier was constructed in the mid-1990s and commissioned in September 1998.
In November 2015, the MoD confirmed that HMS Ocean is to be decommissioned in 2018 with no like-for-like replacement.
This comes as the Brazilian Navy have decided to abandon the refit of the aircraft carrier Sao Paulo and decommission the vessel after a series of technical issues and accidents.
Rectification costs are understood to be a major factor in this decision.
The Sao Paulo is a Clemenceau class aircraft carrier commissioned in 1963 by the French Navy as Foch and was transferred in 2000 to Brazil, where she became the new flagship of the Brazilian Navy. The earlier intention of the navy was that the vessel would continue in active service until 2039, at which time the vessel would be nearly 80 years old.
IHS Janes reported that during its career with the Brazilian Navy, São Paulo has suffered from ‘serviceability issues and has never managed to operate for more than three months at a time without the need for repairs and maintenance’.
It is no surprise therefore that the navy have now announced, as reported by DefesaNet, that the ship will be ‘demobilised and subsequently decommissioned’.
We have contacted the Ministry of Defence and await comment."
Article by George Allison
The Brazilians have a track record of buying second hand from the RN, four Type 22 Frigates and the LSL ex Sir Galahad in recent times. Brazil would be a good home for the 'O' Boat.
"HMS Ocean reportedly offered for sale to Brazil
According to local media in Brazil, the Ministry of Defence have offered HMS Ocean for sale to the South American country.
The article, claims that Brazilian officials believe that the price seemed “reasonable” and the Brazilian Navy are examining the prospect “with cautious optimism”....
HMS Ocean is the UK’s only helicopter carrier and the fleet flagship of the Royal Navy. She is designed to support amphibious landing operations and to support the staff of Commander UK Amphibious Force and Commander UK Landing Force.
According to someone we spoke to currently on-board the vessel, there are rumours that this is one of a number of possibilities:
“People have been talking about what will happen to the ship after 2018, there were rumours that the vessel might be sold to another navy but there’s been no mention of what navy that might be.”
The helicopter carrier was constructed in the mid-1990s and commissioned in September 1998.
In November 2015, the MoD confirmed that HMS Ocean is to be decommissioned in 2018 with no like-for-like replacement.
This comes as the Brazilian Navy have decided to abandon the refit of the aircraft carrier Sao Paulo and decommission the vessel after a series of technical issues and accidents.
Rectification costs are understood to be a major factor in this decision.
The Sao Paulo is a Clemenceau class aircraft carrier commissioned in 1963 by the French Navy as Foch and was transferred in 2000 to Brazil, where she became the new flagship of the Brazilian Navy. The earlier intention of the navy was that the vessel would continue in active service until 2039, at which time the vessel would be nearly 80 years old.
IHS Janes reported that during its career with the Brazilian Navy, São Paulo has suffered from ‘serviceability issues and has never managed to operate for more than three months at a time without the need for repairs and maintenance’.
It is no surprise therefore that the navy have now announced, as reported by DefesaNet, that the ship will be ‘demobilised and subsequently decommissioned’.
We have contacted the Ministry of Defence and await comment."
Article by George Allison
The Brazilians have a track record of buying second hand from the RN, four Type 22 Frigates and the LSL ex Sir Galahad in recent times. Brazil would be a good home for the 'O' Boat.
Jura The idiot
General
Thank you Jeff, I would have never guessed the Hawkeye as a high-altitude chick, although I know even the C-130 can get into the 40's given enough time. I also didn't realize the Osprey wasn't pressurized and that could be done, but its likely simpler to operate it at lower altitudes??
A [pressurized Opsrey, made for AEW, operting at 30,000 feet, would be an awesome bird that anyone with a STOVL carrier would want...except our English brothers who are going to be in completely for the Crowsnest....but you never know what might happen ten years from now if we would just do it.
Equally, an ASW Osprey, carrying four torps each and a bunch of sonar buoys and all that ASW electronics would be a great hit...and not just for the STOVL carriers...but for our own CVNs. It would give us back the long leg ASW capability we threw away when they retired th S-3 too early.
ASW defense is, and IMHO always will be, the most important defense for our carriers.
With the new point defense anti-torpedo torpedoes (and I believe they are supercavitating) thta ll carrieres and LHD/LHAs will get will help...but I would rather find the subs a lot further off...and the S-3 could do that, and so could an AW Osprey.
Have them out there scouring the seas 100-200 miles away from the carrier.
Then have the ASW frigtaes for a little closer in...4-50 miles out, then the inner rings ASW helos inside 10 miles...and of course the SSN covering things between all of that.
You need a lyaered defense for ASW just like you do for missiles.
Absolutey 100% amen to every bit of what you siad my ffriend.
Jura The idiot
General
The Paint problem has been known about since 2014, when the ship was launched. Basically the top coats were applied in conditions that were more humid than expected and have since begun delaminating from the primer. The contractor is rectifying the problem at their own expense and it will not delay the start of sea trials The three month delay in the start of those trials is more likely to be a penny pinching ploy from the government, yes they really are that petty, it'll be more to do with the MOD having to balance their budget for this quarter and coming up with desperate economy measures. I find it easier to believe something of that nature than any major defect in the ship, which those on board were reporting as being ready for the March Sea Trials as late as February. MOD then say 'We need to save some cash for the next few months, stay where you are 'til the summer!'
Never underestimate the stupidity of those in power...
When the contractor screws up during the build, it's down to them to sort it out at their expense. Remember that next time you pay someone else to work on your house or you car!