Aircraft Carriers III

Yesterday at 8:53 PM

Jura said:

"The Navy continued to work on its new class of aircraft carriers, pushing through ongoing delays on the first-in-class Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) that was supposed to commission this year. The Navy discovered in 2015 that its

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, one of three major technological advances in this new class, needed to be redesigned.

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with the proposed solution at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, and in October Commander of Naval Sea Systems Command Vice Adm. Tom Moore told reporters the tests were going well. The Navy and Newport News Shipbuilding

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, but the ship will not be ready to deliver and commission to the Navy until the AAG problems are worked out.

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, from March to the summer to September to November, the Navy has now declined to estimate when the ship might be ready for delivery. The service also said it

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, opting instead for something closer to the proven Mk 7 MOD 3 hydraulic arresting system in the Nimitz-class carriers."
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related is the video (don't know how to post it directly) inside
New in 2017: Fleet to add nine ships

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entitled Carter: Gerald Ford Carrier Program Was 'Undisciplined'
where the leaving SecDef has a hard time to explain his $15b achievement ... be gone, Mr. Carter!

Jeff Head said:

The Nimitz class, in addition to the ASW escorts and all of the decoys and electronic warfare ASW capabilities, are all having an active ASW weapon system added to them.

Essentially it is a fast moving anti-torpedo, torpedo.

Yep...you heard me right.

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There ya go Illya Kuriakin! now you know, but don't tell anybody! Happy New Year ! to all my Bros on the Sino Defense Forum!

NO! Begone Barry! Hillary!, Michelle, Harry Reid, Debbie Wasserman Shultz! and finally Mr. ASHES Carter!

They won't leave, they will all hang around as Naysayers! Like BUZZARDS over the dead body! they they killed!

Air Force Brat said:

There ya go Illya Kuriakin! now you know, but don't tell anybody! Happy New Year ! to all my Bros on the Sino Defense Forum!

NO! Begone Barry! Hillary!, Michelle, Harry Reid, Debbie Wasserman Shultz! and finally Mr. ASHES Carter!

They won't leave, they will all hang around as Naysayers! Like BUZZARDS over the dead body! they they killed!

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Completely crazy but i "love" you Buddy

Jeff Head said:

The Nimitz class, in addition to the ASW escorts and all of the decoys and electronic warfare ASW capabilities, are all having an active ASW weapon system added to them.

Essentially it is a fast moving anti-torpedo, torpedo.

Yep...you heard me right.

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It means torpedo anti-torpedo

For defensive there is also movement in zigzag as in the snow Yeahh

The return of the

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means the Middle East is now without a carrier presence — a rare occurrence amid a heated fight against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria and a slew of burgeoning tensions in Russia, China, and elsewhere

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There is a solution to the Carrier shortage. Very simple but expensive in fact. Re-commission USS Kitty Hawk which currently the only USN CV held in reserve..

Re-fitting of Kitty Hawk could take place in Bremerton WA where she is currently stored. Kitty Hawk is the only USN CV held in reserve. John F Kennedy and Independence in storage but are stricken from the Navy list and are awaiting disposal.

Such a re-fit of Kitty Hawk would take about 2-3 years at a cost of $3 to $4 billion USD. Not cheap by any means.

As for the air wing.....New aircraft could be assigned as they are built ..or preserved aircraft from Davis-Motham AFB in Tucson AZ could be used initially.

AND... those persons in charge accountable/responsible for the re-fits of our active CVNs and the the construction of CVN-78 need to be held responsible for cost over-runs and delays. FIX the situation NOW! NO MORE EXCUSES!!!

January 20th is not coming fast enough!!

Just my opinion.

bd popeye said:

There is a solution to the Carrier shortage. Very simple but expensive in fact. Re-commission USS Kitty Hawk which currently the only USN CV held in reserve..

Re-fitting of Kitty Hawk could take place in Bremerton WA where she is currently stored. Kitty Hawk is the only USN CV held in reserve. John F Kennedy and Independence in storage but are stricken from the Navy list and are awaiting disposal.

Such a re-fit of Kitty Hawk would take about 2-3 years at a cost of $3 to $4 billion USD. Not cheap by any means.

As for the air wing.....New aircraft could be assigned as they are built ..or preserved aircraft from Davis-Motham AFB in Tucson AZ could be used initially.

AND... those persons in charge accountable/responsible for the re-fits of our active CVNs and the the construction of CVN-78 need to be held responsible for cost over-runs and delays. FIX the situation NOW! NO MORE EXCUSES!!!

January 20th is not coming fast enough!!

Just my opinion.

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Here's another thought, which could be realised a lot more quickly and I think is highly probable too; I think the US will ask the RN with 'Big Liz' to help plug the gap over the next few years, possibly providing some financial assistance to cover operating costs and certainly by allocating a couple of USMC F-35B sqns and some helo units/ sqn of Ospreys to help fill her deck in addition to the RN units already scheduled to serve aboard her. One extra big deck carrier which could help with the deployment cycle for the next five or six years *starting 2018 of course, pesky sea trials and work up to get through first). It's already looking like Big Liz will put to sea before Ford does, and will certainly be ready to deploy ahead of her by all accounts.

Yes I know she can't operate the full range of aircraft the USN can bring to bear but at this stage evry little helps, and a carrier with 36 of the latest strike aircraft (12 UK +24 USMC) plus Merlins (ASW and AEW), plus Apache gunships and other helos as required is not an inconsiderable force to bring to the table. If it can fill the gap in the refit/deployment cycle left since Enterprise decommissioned then that eases the pressure on the rest of the USN Carrier fleet perhaps long enough for them to get back on track. After all what are friends for?

bd popeye said:

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AND... those persons in charge accountable/responsible for the re-fits of our active CVNs and the the construction of CVN-78 need to be held responsible for cost over-runs and delays. FIX the situation NOW! NO MORE EXCUSES!!!

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I don't understand one thing: you didn't see this situation coming?
I'm a complete amateur, from a land-locked country LOL but, as my posts here (either ignored or downplayed) have indicated, I saw it coming; will give you just one example:
you praised AAG Mar 21, 2015
so I told you Mar 22, 2015 it was two years late (then!!)
and in response you downplayed the situation Mar 23, 2015

I mean I don't criticize stuff hastily (I think during my first year and a half maybe on the SDF I didn't criticize anything, was just looking at data), but if I had been you, I would've talked about budgets and schedules much much earlier, and in a critical way, of course

Jura said:

I don't understand one thing: you didn't see this situation coming?[/qoute]

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No I did not. I thought the situation was normal and the media was playing the anti-military card. Besides in the past the powers in charge have always managed to fix the situation...guess I was wrong! First time for everything..

Jura said:

but if I had been you, I would've talked about budgets and schedules much much earlier, and in a critical way, of course

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I don't talk budgets. ,schedules. I'm not going to get a headache over the USN/DoD budget. No way...besides the USN always in the past worked these things out. Not this time.

I honestly believed what I posted here in March 2015;

Give the shipyard to the end of this year to get the ship ready to be turned over to the USN. When the USN took delivery of CVN-77 some problems arose. so many infact the ship returned to the builders yard for six months shorty after she was commissioned....nothing new here to see..

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The result of all this carrier schedule problem is directly in the lap of Pres. Obama and his appointed cronies. I'll end it with that because I can get really angry..

Have a Happy New Year!

bd popeye said:

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Have a Happy New Year!

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thank you (it's to arrive in zero three minutes here LOL!), also for your answer ... wish you the best in 2017

As I have said myself, the Ford represents a significant increase/advancement in technology in several areas.

The additional schedule and cost do not bother me so much and should have been expected. You do not do the types of new things they are doing with the Ford without it costing a lot and without it taking a lot of time.

But,as I have also said, once they get it down, the builds of the follow on carriers will go faster, and on every single one of them, with the significant reduction in crew, and the reduction in reactor reloads/maintenance,...although in my view the crew is not so far reduced that they cannot man her properly, they will much more than make up for the cost over the fifty year life of these carriers.

Jura said:

I don't understand one thing: you didn't see this situation coming?
I'm a complete amateur, from a land-locked country LOL but, as my posts here (either ignored or downplayed) have indicated, I saw it coming; will give you just one example:
you praised AAG Mar 21, 2015
so I told you Mar 22, 2015 it was two years late (then!!)
and in response you downplayed the situation Mar 23, 2015

I mean I don't criticize stuff hastily (I think during my first year and a half maybe on the SDF I didn't criticize anything, was just looking at data), but if I had been you, I would've talked about budgets and schedules much much earlier, and in a critical way, of course

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I keep telling you you are worse than the "Honey Badger", airplanes, boats, tanks, all cost MONEY! LOL. As BD says we should have kept our fleet intact, until the Ford was ready to roll!

Most of this is the byproduct of sequestration and budget cuts. The civilian employees and sailors who lost their jobs are tragic. The Ford is a technological marvel, but that takes time and LOTs of Money!