Aircraft Carriers III

FORBIN

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Now THAT is what I am talking about!

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But between that one and the other head on shot, I still count only 12 Rafale on deck...the rest are Eternard.

I am waiting for the pic with 24 Rafale on deck! That is going to be something to behold!
Sadly possible we don' t have for at less for end of week !

Nice pic but it is a PS a fake impossible 2 E-2C together ready wings deployed in more...

But meantime Russians going for get ready :)

New Su-33 upgraded
Russie Another upgraded Su-33.jpg
 

FORBIN

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New French CV " PA 2 " aircraft carrier 2

Estimated now to around 3 billions € i see, hull 1 bill, others equipm. 1.5 + the rest.

In fact yet 2 ideas :
2006 a QE with cats and angled flight deck doing about 70000 t, 283 m canceled coz economic crisis mainly.
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2010 a concept from DCNS a new enough similar than actual
PA2 dcns.jpg

And this what if " with a QE
PA2 - idée.jpg
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
French should have kept the plans for second carrier

The current unit spends way too much time in port

Also the 4th mistral they should have built

2 X carriers from UK
2 X carriers from France

Plus 1 X ARG from UK
And 2 X ARG from France

This covers North Sea and Arctic regions (new area of patrols ) since Russia is exerting pressure on resources there

Also covers Mediterranean and Eastern Atlantic by two non US NATO allies
 

FORBIN

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French should have kept the plans for second carrier

The current unit spends way too much time in port

Also the 4th mistral they should have built

2 X carriers from UK
2 X carriers from France

Plus 1 X ARG from UK
And 2 X ARG from France

This covers North Sea and Arctic regions (new area of patrols ) since Russia is exerting pressure on resources there

Also covers Mediterranean and Eastern Atlantic by two non US NATO allies

Initialy planned but finaly the Sirocco, 2nd Foudre retired ! white paper 2013 say 3 Ass. Amph. ships necessary... 3 Repl ships Durance with one retired and 15 FFG before 17 now 16 * fortunately always 6 SSNs, 6 Suffren replace 6 Rubis beter but mainly reactor have a more important service life 10 vs 6 years so greater readiness, interesting.

And Brazil do good money with Sirocco recent 18 years replacing her Thomaston 60 years old !

French Navy MSC fleet, combattants in service :
- 2013 : 17 MSC : 2 Forbin + 2 Cassard + 1 Tourville + 7 Georges Leygues + 5 La Fayette

- 2016 : 16 MSC : 2 Forbin + 2 Cassard + 2 Aquitaine soon 3 + 5 Georges Leygues + 5 La Fayette each Aquitaine replace a Georges Leygues after AAW variant replace Cassard

- 2023 : 15 MSC : 2 Forbin + 2 Aquitaine AAW + 6 Aquitaine ASW + 5 La Fayette possible one replaced by new FFG " FTI " mid size 4000/4500 t but i hope in addition in a new white paper :)

After ask to Minister of Finances :)
 
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Jeff Head

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French Navy MSC fleet, combattants in service :
- 2013 : 17 MSC : 2 Forbin + 2 Cassard + 1 Tourville + 7 Georges Leygues + 5 La Fayette

- 2016 : 16 MSC : 2 Forbin + 2 Cassard + 2 Aquitaine soon 3 + 5 Georges Leygues + 5 La Fayette each Aquitaine replace a Georges Leygues after AAW variant replace Cassard

- 2023 : 15 MSC : 2 Forbin + 2 Aquitaine AAW + 6 Aquitaine ASW + 5 La Fayette possible one replaced by new FFG " FTI " mid size 4000/4500 t but i hope in addition in a new white paper :)
I know they are getting newer, more capable vessels and thus feel that they can afford to cut back from 17 MSC to 15 MSC.

But I believe it is a mistake.

At some point you have to have enough numbers to cover all of the bases and I believe the French are allowing themselves to be drawn down to a point where they will not be able to do so.
 

FORBIN

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Seriously no thread and mysteries !!!

Mission Arromanches 3, TF 473 definitely composed of :
Sure
- CVN Charles de Gaulle
- DDG Ross Burke class Flight I
- FFG Augsburg Type 122 Bremen class

And no sure but possible
- a FFG Aquitaine Class possible Languedoc homeported to Toulon,
- DDG Cassard same class
- a SSN Rubis Class
- a Replenishment Ship Durance class normaly Marne or Var

CAW :
- 20 - 24 Rafale
- 2 E-2C
- 2 Dauphin SAR
- 1 Alouette III SAR
- 1 NH-90 NFH for transport, log

I catch official graphic :p:p:p

No FREMM but a Georges Leygues and 2 AAW DDG a Forbin and a Cassard so 1 combattant in more ! total 7 in more the Repl. ships a nice TF ! :cool:


FRA Arromanches 3.jpg
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FORBIN

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More :cool: last training during transit France - around Cyprus

Arromanches 3, the Charles de Gaulle in " all Rafale "

My comrade-West France Eric Grandmaison is the Charles de Gaulle since Wednesday to follow the rise of the Battle Group (TF 473) composed of the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and seven ships: the FAA Cassard, FDA Chevalier Paul, the MDTF Jean de Vienne, the BCR Marne, a nuclear submarine attack, the American frigate USS Ross, the German frigate FGS Augsburg. GAN should, in JYLD contribute to operations for the recovery of Mosul for a month.

Here the contribution of my colleague in defense lines:

Yesterday, the Rafale - capable of delivering three times more bombs than the Super Etendard - were catapulted with their armies bombs for a fire exercise

For the first time in its history, the Charles de Gaulle takes two fleets of Lann-Bihoue and Landivisiau. 24 aircraft Rafale are embedded. With twelve Rafale air force already prepositioned is a 36 Rafale strike force, never yet met with this type of device that will be able to take part in the battle of Mosul.

France is thus, after the United States, the second largest contributor to the coalition. "This is the theater of operations that dictates how we will equip the airplanes," said Commander David, commanding the operations on board the Charles de Gaulle.
This officer prepare the aircraft carrier had to send its mission. "Charles de Gaulle's arrival will mean the increased ability of France to hit Daech," he warns. "Air strikes in France will bring the desired political effect."

The "everything" Rafale aboard the Charles de Gaulle imposes new organizations. "It's a different management of the storage of aircraft, whose wings do not bend unlike the Super Etendard Moreover, each Rafale requires the intervention of several drivers depending on the mission. "

On the aircraft carrier, "it is always a balance between security and performance." There are up to 15 planes simultaneously on a bridged. The Ops leader must ensure every detail: "The devil is in the details," he said. "On the Charles de Gaulle, is a city of 1850 sailors who works with one goal: to send planes."

On the duration of the mission is still the unknown sailors know whether they will be returned or not for Christmas. One certainty: this is the last mission before 18 months in dry dock.

"No more pressure than before," says the commander. Aboard the aircraft carrier, the crew is serene and motivated. "The mission has taken on particular resonance since November 13 and the Nice attacks. People are proud to serve on the Charles de Gaulle," he adds.

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