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It may be that the satellite was viewing the ship from an angle, but from directly behind the ship. This would make the apparent length shorter (where does the front deck truly end in the photo?), and the aft face of the island could be blurred into the island's top, making it look longer in comparison.
Yes, the angle that the image was made from the satellite can make a big difference. But the the greater the angle offset, the more distortion there is on anything at that location in the pic.

It is clear to me, that the view angle is not that great on the vessel in the dry dock there. it is not too far off from being pretty much overhead.

The differences in the size of the supposed island are just too great to be able to attribute them to view angle...otherwise the entire hull of the vessel would be similarly distorted.

Anyhow, it is interesting...but the main issue is waiting for actual photos of the island sitting on the Vikrant. I know I am awaiting those pics.

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aksha

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heres what a senior member on the indian defence forum says
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There is no Vikrant in that dry dock/ Vikrant is not present in the dry dock.

It is very old image, probably of the time when Vikrant's keel even wasn't laid.

Check the angle Jetty just north of dry dock, compare it with wikimapia, g-earth and Bhuban. You would know.
2012 google earth, no jetty.
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2014 google earth jetty visible.
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Bhuban no jetty visible.
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if he is correct ,then all the exicitement on my part was for nothing,

i suppose we will have to wait for the original pictures,no option other than that,:(i suppose
 
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aksha

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oldtimers here would recognise this aircraft,from Clemenceau in 1970s:Djauar naval version,a month ago,ididn't know that a naval version existed

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Brazilian Navy restarts KC-2 Turbo Trader contract
By: FELIPE SALLESRIO DE JANEIRO Source: Flightglobal.com an hour ago
A contract amendment signed on 7 November by the Brazilian navy's directorate of aeronautics and Marsh Aviation revives a long-delayed programme to refurbish and re-engine four ex-US Navy Grumman S-2 Trackers.

The new contract terms also acknowledge the entry of Elbit Systems of America’s subsidiary M7 Aviation, of San Antonio, Texas, into the programme.

The original Brazilian Tracker contract was signed on 20 October 2011 covering the airframe refurbishment, re-engining and systems transformation of four ex-US Navy C-1A Traders into “KC-2” Turbo Traders. It also revived the C-1A fleet for military operations, a role that had been on hold since the US Navy retired the aircraft 26 years ago.

The Brazilian Navy’s São Paulo aircraft carrier due to its age is constrained in both catapult strength and flight deck length making the operation of the modern but much larger and heavier Northrop Grumman E-2D Hawkeye aircraft impossible.

Due to this limiting factor, the Brazilian Navy acquired eight Grumman C-1A airframes previously stored in the US military’s aircraft boneyard outside Tucson, Arizona. The transaction is listed as a “grant” in a database maintained by the US military’s arms export unit – the Defense Security and Cooperation Agency. The database lists the current value of the C-1A airframe as $32,000.

Seeking to minimise risk, Brazil decided to rely on a tried and tested re-engining program developed by Marsh Aviation to have four of the aircraft converted to carrier on board delivery (COD) and air-to-air refueling aircraft.

The C-1A’s original Wright R-1820-8WA radial engines will be replaced by Honeywell TPE331-14GR turboprops fitted with Hartzell HC-135MA-5 five-blade propellers. The analogue cockpit is to be modernised with an Astronautics electronic flight instrument system kit. These Brazilian Traders are currently stored in the Marsh Aviation lot in Mesa, Arizona.

Brazil’s S-2 modernisation programme was first delayed because Marsh’s conversion line was effectively closed since the end of Turbo Tracker deliveries to the California Department of Forestry & Fire Protection. It had to be restarted from scratch.

After that Marsh and its president were charged with conspiracy to violate the Arms Export Control Act by supplying refit North American OV-10 Bronco T-76 engines to the embargoed Venezuelan Air Force between 2005 and 2008.

As a US Government investigation was started on all of Marsh’s activities, which almost led to the company’s bankruptcy, the S-2 conversion project for the Brazilian navy was suspended for years.

“This [investigation] has caused the temporary loss of [Marsh Aviation’s] ability to legally continue to deliver the contracted services” stated a Brazilian Navy Public Affairs Office release in March 2013. That document also said that “Marsh has been found innocent by the US Department of Justice in October 2012”, but in order to get there Floyd Stilwell then president of Marsh Aviation pleaded guilty and had to pay a $250,000 fine. He also had to step down of the presidency and be replaced by his daughter.

A technical assistance agreement was signed in 2013 between the Navy and Marsh allowing for a number of Department of State recommendations to be adopted by Marsh Aviation.

The Brazilian Navy’s way around these issues was to approve a Marsh Aviation plan to establish an alliance with Elbit Systems of America’s M7 subsidiary.

Marsh and M7 will now proceed with the execution of the re-engining and upgrade services, with Marsh Aviation remaining as the “main contractor”, as this should stave bankruptcy and keep the Brazilian contract “alive” through all the turbulence.

The first KC-2 prototype flight is expected for November 2017 and the delivery of the first operational aircraft to the Brazilian Navy is scheduled for December 2018.

Future KC-2 flight crew are already receiving basic flying training in the Brazilian Air Force Academy. Carrier conversion is done in the US Navy where they fly the T-45 at NAS Kingsville and later go to the advanced multi-engine MPTS E-2/C-2 pipeline in Corpus Christi, Texas, flying T-44C Pegasus.

When they are delivered the Turbo Traders and Trackers will be operated by the newly created First Transport and Early Warning Squadron (VEC-1) based in the Sao Pedro d’Aldeia Naval Air Station located west Rio de Janeiro.
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Hmmm.

Brazil originally acquired eight airframes and my understanding was that four would be tankers and the other four would be AEW aircraft.

This article talks about the contract fo the four KC-2 versions which I presume are going to be the tankers and possibly COD aircraft.

I wonder what is happening to the other four...which would end up being AEW aircraft?

Those are going to be critical fo the Sao Paulo too.
 

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I moved TEs post about the Carrier and its S-2 aircraft there as well as my repsonse to it. You can post Brazil specific news there now...not on the South American Thread.

A word to the wise...as I said over on that thread:

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After 10 days of sea trials here, the differences between the F-35C Lightning II and its predecessors are becoming readily apparent as the plane is launched, trapped and maneuvered topside.

Sailors who got the opportunity to work with the next generation strike fighter said the F-35C has attributes that aren't found elsewhere in the airwing. It has a smoother ride, it's easier to taxi, and it has less complicated landing procedures. In many ways, it does a lot of the heavy lifting itself and takes work away from sailors.

"It's truly an administrative task," said Cmdr. Tony Wilson, the lead test pilot for the F-35C, in an interview Nov. 13 as the 10 day testing wrapped up. Pilots and flight deck crews found the more compact plane easier to fly and maneuver aboard ship, good attributes for an aircraft that's seen many delays and is now slated for a 2018 fleet introduction.

The stealth fighter handles well and its control system cuts the pilot's workload, he said.

The most stressful task in carrier-based aviation — the landing — has been simplified with the delta flight path, a program that partially automates the approach and adjusts the plane's trajectory just seconds before the aircraft reaches the flight deck. This system allows pilots to focus more on other aspects of flying, Wilson said.

"It's going to make landing on the boat a routine task," he said. "This makes it fun," he later added.

Compared to legacy aircraft, the F-35C has a more graceful approach, said Lt. Chris Karapostoles, a landing signal officer assigned to Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23.

Compared to the F/A-18 Super Hornet, also known in aviation circles as the Rhino, the F-35C can adjust its approach faster and smoother, making it more likely to hit the three wire — the ideal landing, Karapostoles said.

'Nothing scary'

Karapostoles' job is to monitor aircraft as they fly in for a landing. Along the way he helps pilots adjust their course, and, if necessary, he waves off landings because of unsafe conditions or a bad approach. The goal is to land aircraft as safely and quickly as possible.

So far there haven't been any wave-offs for a bad approach, but there were a few due to wind and deck motion. It was "nothing scary," Karapostoles said.

One touch-and-go, however, didn't go as well as hoped, officials said. The maneuver was supposed to simulate an approach to a landing, but the aircraft hit the deck too far forward. Had it been a real landing rather than a simulation, the plane's tailhook would have missed the arresting gear, resulting in a bolter where the pilot quickly lifts back off the deck and circles around the carrier to set up for a second attempt, Karapostoles said.

Otherwise the plane has consistently caught the three wire, he said. The three wire is one of four arresting cables on the Nimitz's flight deck and is the preferred landing zone.

The F-35C test pilots have made approximately 100 traps on the Nimitz, and the three wire was caught so many times that the metal cable had to be replaced. The one wire, the cable furthest aft on the flight deck, hadn't been used at all, Wilson said.

"We've been beating up the three wire," he said.


When it snags that wire, pilots have a softer landing in the F-35C than what they're used to in legacy aircraft, Wilson said.

Sailors on the flight deck will notice a few changes as well.

Aviation Boatswain's Mate 1st Class (SW/AW) Matt Beilke said the F-35C isn't as long as F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets. On a flight deck and hangar where there are dozens of aircraft, every inch counts and this compact size makes it easier to move aircraft around tight spaces

"The F-35 turns easier," Beilke said. "On the deck it turns on a dime."

Also, it doesn't have to power up as much as legacy aircraft, so there's less hot exhaust on the flight deck, making it a safer environment.

But Beilke also said he can't give a full picture of how well the F-35C will perform in topside maneuvers. Only two F-35Cs and a few other aircraft were on board for the testing. Things might be different when there's a full air wing on board, he said.

He said the F-35C was as loud as other aircraft in the wing, and there didn't seem to be any differences on the flight deck with the one-engine F-35C compared to the two-engine Hornet and Super Hornet.

The test sensors added to the aircraft for flight testing made it a little harder to chain to F-35C and aircraft handlers had to avoid bumping any sensors, he said. Those test sensors will be removed by the time the aircraft hits the fleet. Once that happens, he'll be able to tie up the plane just like he ties up legacy aircraft, he said.

Besides the two-F-35Cs, there were two other new pieces of hardware on the flight deck. Lawnmower-sized generators were brought on board and positioned near the island. Carriers are wired for a 115-volt system to power equipment on legacy aircraft while the F-35C requires a 270-volt system. The generators were put on the deck to provide this alternate voltage.

Officials said that the generators will only be used for carrier tests, and the Navy is adding 270-volt power to carriers during planned availabilities. After receiving the upgrades, carriers will have both 115- and 270-volt systems.

"Ships will be modified," said Jim Gigliotti, the director for F-35C and Navy program manager for Lockheed Martin.

The F-35C made its first carrier trap on Nov. 3. and two of the next-generation aircraft are on the Nimitz for a series of tests. Most of the evaluations focus on catapult launches and landings, and as of Nov. 13 the test team was slightly ahead of schedule and was preparing for the plane's first carrier based launches and recoveries at night.

Future carrier integration tests will evaluate how the F-35C performs with weapons in its bomb bay and with weapons attached underneath its wings.

The Navy plans to purchase 260 F-35Cs to replace aging F/A-18A-D Hornets. The Marine Corps wants 63 F-35Cs for its carrier-based fighter squadrons.

The F-35C is expected to reach initial operating capability in August 2018. By that point the Navy plans to stand up an operational squadron with 10 F-35Cs and trained pilots.
 
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FYI everyone. We have had some discussion about this on other thread...and I intend to post it in the professional forum as an info thread as well.

But here's the info I have on Post World War II Carrier catapult systems...including basic info on EMALS:


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If you can fill in some of the blanks, please let me know.

This shows the UK carriers, US carriers, and both of the French Clemnceau carriers and the CDG...which would also include the Brazil Navy's Sao Paulo (former French Foch).
 
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