Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)
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I have take a look in " Flottes de Combat " and Mistral also built with commercial standard, about 350 Mill €, the last in 2010 420 Mill €, cheaper for a big ship but more vulnerable to combat damage but get a 30 years service life.
Ocean want £274 million in 2014 about 350 Mill €.
If Ocean decommissioned in 2018 really RN have need 2 Albion in service, in more one Bays sold and one other to Bahrein used as mother ships for 4 MCMV and moreover it is really useful with US Ponce which get same mission, more interesting for RN get all AA ships ready in UK i think.
This Bays good acquisition for RAAN which get Choules alongside the 2 Canberra, in fact replace Tobruk, no as UK and France ... !
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asif iqbal
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You have to remember and take into account the current UK government are sell outs and do not make any decisions based on logic or knowledge but rather irrational uneducated decisions
The life and quality of the ships does not matter nor does the missions if they decide to cut something that will fill the pocket of the politicians, MSP and back benchers then it will go ahead it's different here
Harriers, Nimrod, the last 4 x Type 22 Frigates batch III, etc etc the list is endless
Just because something has a service life does not mean anything very good pieces of equipment have been disposed and sold off just to get kick backs HMS Ocean and the LPD are no different
asif iqbal
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Don't think that is the point here
And Price tag for CVN-78 is actually $12.9 billion and CVN-79 will be $11.5 and so on the R&D cost spread over 11 units will be less than $450 million each obviously it's not correct to add the total R&D cost to just the first CVN-78 as much of the technology's have a non occurring cost
Nimitz Class is old compared to Ford Class, over the life of the carrier Ford will cost $1 billion less over 11 carriers that's a $11 billion saving which pretty much means for the price of 10 carriers you are getting 11
Ford class is faster quicker and more efficient, higher capability lower cost, less manpower more sorties it builds on the design of the Nimitz Class
So yeah it cost more but it costs less over all that's why they are building them
It's like buying a new efficient car, down side is that you have to spend money to buy a new one but it gives you a new car and lower running costs and if you hold on to it long enough then it will benifit you in the longer term especially if you do a high mileage like the USN nuclear carriers
Intrepid
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If You buy a new car every three years, than it is OK to buy a new aircraft carrier every thirty years. New engines, new pipes, new electrical network means easy maintenance and less break down.
Brumby
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The article that you referred to talks of getting initial funding and I am aware that progressively lawmakers had further cordoned off $849 million to allow the Navy to begin refuelling and modernization efforts on CVN-73. In effect there is momentum building towards full funding rather than not by way of progressively injecting funds into the program but it is not a done deal given budget pressures and may still not happen if the full amount cannot be allocated. I think it will be irreversible when the actual contract is awarded to HLL. Meanwhile Huntington Ingalls Industries had been awarded a $49.6-million contract for planning work covering engineering and shipboard inspections over a 12-month period.
Yes completely agree with you asif.
Harrier GR9 had just been modernized, Type 22 only 20 years very well armed, we could also talk about Harrier FRS 2 but different for Nimrod new version get many problems and price ! most damaging a gap for ASW capability especially to protect Vanguard, fortunately RN got to build 7 Astute only good new of the SDSR 2010 !!!
Brumby
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The $15 billion I talked about is inflated mainly for 2 reasons. Firstly, CVN-79 had previously been pushed 2 years and I expect the program will eventually be further stretched because there is just not enough money to fund the Ohio replacement program and the other ship building activities. Secondly, there are design maturity issues with the Ford class and given the USN track record of not coming in on Budget I expect further cost blowout in adjusting to these design issues.
The savings number is officially how it is sold but unfortunately they tend to be as elusive as the Phantom. The Ford is introducing a number of new technologies and there are already a number of known compatibility issues with the JSF. It means operationally there are unknowns and until the class is fielded and the concepts tested, the efficiencies and manning levels are just on paper meant to justify a story. Recent example is the LCS program and subsequent to the Singapore deployment, the core manning levels are known to be unrealistic to begin with and the operating cost is approaching that of the Burke's.
don'y know if this old pictures has been posted here before ,this pics are from malabar 2008 ,releasd by the US navy on its flickr website,its a pity no malabar exercises were held again to that level since that year
would love to see similar photos with mig29k's in place of sea harriers
the foll. pic is from malabar 2012
would love to see similar photos with mig29k's in place of sea harriers
the foll. pic is from malabar 2012
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One day, in a few years, they will hold a Malabar exercise again with two US carriers, like the George Washington and the Gerald Ford. When that happens we may see them in company with the Vikramaditya and the new Vikrant.
Now that would be something.
Mig-29Ks and P-8I Neptunes taking part from India along with F-35Cs, F/A-18E/FsF, EA-18Gs, E-2Ds, P-8A Poseidons, and perhaps even the Triton assisting, fro the US Navy.
Add a couple of fully armed Kolkatas sailing along with Ticos and Burkes, and Shivalik FFGs too. Then, with one of the (hopefully by that date two) Akula SSNs in compaby with a Sea Wolf or Virginia class. My goodness, it will make for a heck of a combined fleet.
And with two large fixed wing aircraft carriers...there may be only one or two other nations on earth who could exercise with the US Navy and bring that much to the table (ie. the UK with the two QEs).
No, one day, when the Indian Navy gets all of this new equipment commissioned and to sae, they will have a very modern, formidable naval force.
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