Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

thunderchief said:

Gorshkov was useless scrap of rusting steel when they started to work on it . Everything had to be changed , even some parts of the hull . Process was like restoring old car - it took longer then to build new one of the same type .

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Yes...and they took ten years to do it and almost failed. Makes the point.

thunderchief said:

Not entirely true , Admiral Chabanenko , Udaloy-II class destroyer was launched in 1994 and commissioned in 1999.

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Full load of Udaloy II is less than 8,000 tons.

thunderchief said:

Surface warships over 20 000 tons are basically carriers . Very few of those have been built anywhere in the world in last 25 years.

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Actually, a lot of them have been built, and launched by numerous countries.

LPDs, LHAs, LHDs, LPHs, and Aircraft Carriers. Here's a list...but none by Russia.

9 x San Antonio Class LPDs (USA)
3 x Type 071 Class LPDs (China)
3 x Mistral Class LHD (France)
7 x Wasp Class LHD (USA)
1 x America CLASS LHA (USA)
1 x Ocean Class LPH (UK)
1 x Dokdo LHD (S Korea)
2 x Hyuga DDH (Japan)
1 x Izumo CVH (Japan)
5 x Nimitz Class CVN (USA)
1 x Ford Class CVN (USA)
1 x Charles de Gaulle Class CVN (France)
1 x Cavour Class CV (Italy)
1 x Juan Carlos LHD (Spain)
1 x Liaoning CV (China)
2 x Albion Class LPD (UK)

That's 41 such ships built by eight countries.

bd popeye said:

I found this comment about the Mistral class accommodations on wiki very interesting;

I once read that the Mistral class was not built to military standards. I can't find that statement now.

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Don't you just hate that?? I get so sick of looking for stuff, specially my boolets??? now where'd I put my durn boolets???

Jeff Head said:

Full load of Udaloy II is less than 8,000 tons.

Actually, a lot of them have been built, and launched by numerous countries.

LPDs, LHAs, LHDs, LPHs, and Aircraft Carriers. Here's a list...but none by Russia.

9 x San Antonio Class LPDs (USA)
3 x Type 071 Class LPDs (China)
3 x Mistral Class LHD (France)
7 x Wasp Class LHD (USA)
1 x America CLASS LHA (USA)
1 x Ocean Class LPH (UK)
1 x Dokdo LHD (S Korea)
2 x Hyuga DDH (Japan)
1 x Izumo CVH (Japan)
5 x Nimitz Class CVN (USA)
1 x Ford Class CVN (USA)
1 x Charles de Gaulle Class CVN (France)
1 x Cavour Class CV (Italy)
1 x Juan Carlos LHD (Spain)
1 x Liaoning CV (China)
2 x Albion Class LPD (UK)

That's 41 such ships built by eight countries.

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Well if we are nitpicking , Udaloy II is few tonnes short of 8000 t , but Hyuga-class is below 20 000t , so is Dodko-class and even Albion-class . Most of the mentioned ships are smaller then aforementioned 70 000t tanker or this 48 000 t bulk carrier . This means that Russia has capacity to build large ships . Two thing lacking are funds and political will

bd popeye said:

I once read that the Mistral class was not built to military standards. I can't find that statement now.

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The Mistral Class is built to commercial standards, rather than naval combat standards, and currently carries very light defensive systems: 4 machine gun stations, a pair of 30mm guns, and a pair of manual Simbad twin-launchers for MBDA’s very short-range Mistral anti-aircraft missiles.

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thunderchief said:

Well if we are nitpicking , Udaloy II is few tonnes short of 8000 t , but Hyuga-class is below 20 000t , so is Dodko-class and even Albion-class . Most of the mentioned ships are smaller then aforementioned 70 000t tanker or this 48 000 t bulk carrier . This means that Russia has capacity to build large ships . Two thing lacking are funds and political will

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Hehehe...touché, thunder.

We could go back and forth I suppose. Certainly building a commercial tanker is much, much different than building a carrier or LHD.

We shall best know when the Russians have the capacity, will, and funds to do so when they actually build one I suppose.

The closest they will come is after the first two Mistrals when they build their first one of those for themselves. That will be a good 1st step and one I have no doubts that they will succeed in.

Jeff Head said:

Hehehe...touché, thunder.

We could go back and forth I suppose. Certainly building a commercial tanker is much, much different than building a carrier or LHD.

We shall best know when the Russians have the capacity, will, and funds to do so when they actually build one I suppose.

The closest they will come is after the first two Mistrals when they build their first one of those for themselves. That will be a good 1st step and one I have no doubts that they will succeed in.

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Guys I found this on a Chinese military site..if one of our Chinese members could give a good translation. I "translated" the Google English translation as best I could.

The second ship named "Sevastopol" should be delivered to Russia in 2015.

Recently, the second ship was photographed in the the sub-Nazaire shipyard in France. The aft end of the ship is being assembled in a northern Russia shipyard.

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So what the second unit is being constructed in two different places? How is that going to work isn't that just extra work they will have to move one or the other to the same place before final assembly what a hassle it's not like they built just the modules it's the entire aft and now sections in two different places?

asif iqbal said:

So what the second unit is being constructed in two different places? How is that going to work isn't that just extra work they will have to move one or the other to the same place before final assembly what a hassle it's not like they built just the modules it's the entire aft and now sections in two different places?

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I'm not really sure.. that's why I need a Chinese member to translate that text in that link. Google translations are not exactly reliable.

bd popeye said:

Guys I found this on a Chinese military site..if one of our Chinese members could give a good translation. I "translated" the Google English translation as best I could.

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Guys, that is the 2nd Russian Mistral class LHD, the Sevastopol.

France and Russia built the 1st LHD, the Vladivostok the same way.

On Febraury 1, 2012, work started on her in Saint-Nazaire, France on the forward section of the vessel. Then in October 2012 in St. Petersburg, Russia, on the aft section of the vessel. Russia sent the aft section to France.


Then, the two sections were joined and the vessel was launched as the Vladivostok in Saint-Nazaire, France on October 15, 2013.


After the main outfitting in France, the ship will travel to St. Petersburg for final outfitting of Russian-specific weapons, sensoors, and and subsystems. She is scheduled to be commissioned into the Russian fleet in late 2014 or early 2015.

The second vessel, the Sevastopol, will follow a similar couse and will be named the Sevastopol, and is expected to be commissioned in late 2015 or early 2016.

After those two, there is an option for two more that would be completely built in Russia. Apparently Russia is planning on building a complete shipyard on Kotlin Island near St. Petersburg to accomplish this. if they do, it would be a natrual place to invest in for future carrier production as well.

Here are some great pictures of her in the water after her launch:

bd popeye said:

Guys I found this on a Chinese military site..if one of our Chinese members could give a good translation. I "translated" the Google English translation as best I could.

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Now that is what I call a "half aft" deal????? it does strike me as odd, that when we talk of keel laying, I'm thinking "stem to stern"??? Is that why we sometimes see vessels in mortal distress break in half???? I would be more comfortable with a "staggered stringer" type of join, with an overlying hull, but that isn't the way its done???? brat