Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

kwaigonegin · Dec 31, 2013

navyreco said:
Talking about a packed/jammed deck... these older classes had no below deck hangar ?

Most if not all of them do including the IJN fleet carriers of WWII.

As we all know as well, a few of the American WWII carriers served well into the 1970s and 1980s through major refit and modifications. If would have been quite impossible to put a hanger in there if it wasn't design originally like that.

Intrepid · Dec 31, 2013

navyreco said:
... these older classes had no below deck hangar ?

It had a below deck hangar with widely opened doors for ventilation, so the engines of the aircraft could be warmed up in the hangar. The first years a hangar catapult exist to let aircraft take of directly from the hangar.

Jeff Head · Dec 31, 2013

thunderchief said:
I know it won't happen but it's a shame , because ski-jump would increase payload and range of F-35B . As you said , ship has no well deck (although future vessels from that class may include one ) so there is no drawback in having ski-jump .

The second of the class, USS Tripoli, LHA-7, which is under construction, will also not have a well deck. After that, they will build them with well decks, but smaller than the Wasp Class.

As to their not being a real downside, well, in fact there is a big downside that the US Navy is not apparently willing to concede, and that is that it cuts into your deck parking space significantly. Apparently the US Navy feels that that is more important than the extra unrefueled range, particularly since the F-35s will be able to be refueled in air if necessary to make up for it.

Jeff Head · Dec 31, 2013

navyreco said:
Talking about a packed/jammed deck... these older classes had no below deck hangar ?

Oh, yes, they certainly did.

Spacious by the day's standards.

Even the 1st US carrier, the USS Langley, CV-1, had a hanger deck.

Here are some pictures (starting with Langley) of US aircraft carrier hanger decks before and during World War II:

That last is from the USS Bonhomme Richard, CV-31, I believe. Those are F4U Corsairs, so that would have been later in the war, or even after. She was commissioned in 1944, and then refitted in the 1950s and served until 1971.

After her modernization (angled deck, new steam cats, enclosed bow, aft deck edge elevator, etc.) , she looked like this

Hope that helps.

asif iqbal · Dec 31, 2013

Jeff Head said:
The second of the class, USS Tripoli, LHA-7, which is under construction, will also not have a well deck. After that, they will build them with well decks, but smaller than the Wasp Class.

As to their not being a real downside, well, in fact there is a big downside that the US Navy is not apparently willing to concede, and that is that it cuts into your deck parking space significantly. Apparently the US Navy feels that that is more important than the extra unrefueled range, particularly since the F-35s will be able to be refueled in air if necessary to make up for it.

Well Boeing has just completed testing on the tanker version of the V-22 Osprey

Depending on the Marines mission they can embark 6 x F35B and mix of helos or 12 x F35B plus 6 X V-22 Tankers or 20 x F35B for high sortie rates

This is why I think it's a good idea to develop and build V-22 in tanker and AWACS configuration it would complement the F35B very nicely

F35B range will be extended and the situational awareness will be vastly enhanced

thunderchief · Jan 1, 2014

Jeff Head said:
The second of the class, USS Tripoli, LHA-7, which is under construction, will also not have a well deck. After that, they will build them with well decks, but smaller than the Wasp Class.

As to their not being a real downside, well, in fact there is a big downside that the US Navy is not apparently willing to concede, and that is that it cuts into your deck parking space significantly. Apparently the US Navy feels that that is more important than the extra unrefueled range, particularly since the F-35s will be able to be refueled in air if necessary to make up for it.

Well , you could still park some things even on the ski-jump

bd popeye · Jan 1, 2014

Originally Posted by Jeff Head

The second of the class, USS Tripoli, LHA-7, which is under construction, will also not have a well deck. After that, they will build them with well decks, but smaller than the Wasp Class.

As to their not being a real downside, well, in fact there is a big downside that the US Navy is not apparently willing to concede, and that is that it cuts into your deck parking space significantly. Apparently the US Navy feels that that is more important than the extra unrefueled range, particularly since the F-35s will be able to be refueled in air if necessary to make up for it.

Jeff is correct. The main USN & USMC concern over the ski-ramp is that it ruins the "deck multipile"..that is how many spaces there are to "spot"(park) the aircraft. The more the merrier.

Franklin · Jan 1, 2014

A rare inside tour of the Admiral Kuznetsov. (for the first video click on the title or the link below to view on Youtube if the video won't play)

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[video=youtube;j3oCBmPdZEE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3oCBmPdZEE[/video]

Franklin · Jan 1, 2014

SteelBird said:
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If you have problems playing the first video click on the title on the black bar to view it in Youtube.

I have found another video on the Admiral Kuznetsov. It shows chow time for the crew. This is in 2004 so its 10 years ago and before the major refit of 2006.

[video=youtube;IHm5a8HxcWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHm5a8HxcWw[/video]

bd popeye · Jan 2, 2014

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GULF OF OMAN (Dec. 29, 2013) The guided-missile destroyer USS Bulkeley (DDG 84), left, and the French navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (R 91), right, conduct an underway replenishment with the Military Sealift Command fleet replenishment oiler USNS Arctic (T-AOE 8). Charles de Gaulle is conducting operations with the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group supporting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photos courtesy of the French navy by Frederic Duplouich/Released)

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