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bd popeye

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STOP Discussing fuel and discuss Aircraft carriers. Open a thread about fuel if you so desire.

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Why are those Russian pilots so.."mature"? Don't they have any younger pilots?
 
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S. Korea Envisions Light Aircraft Carrier
Oct. 26, 2013 - 03:45AM | By JUNG SUNG-KI SEOUL — The South Korean Navy believes it can deploy two light aircraft carriers by 2036 and expand its blue-water force to cope with the rapid naval buildups of China and Japan, according to a Navy source.

The service has been exploring ways of securing light aircraft carriers based on an interim feasibility study, the source said.

“It’s a hope,” the Navy source said on condition of anonymity. “There are no fixed requirements at the moment, but we’ve been studying ways of launching light aircraft carriers over the next two decades.”

Rep. Chung Hee-soo of the ruling Saenuri Party revealed the contents of a program in a feasibility report last week.

“To cope with potential maritime disputes with neighboring countries, we need to secure aircraft carriers as soon as possible,” Chung, a member of the National Assembly’s Defense Committee, said during a confirmation hearing Oct. 11 for Adm. Choi Yoon-hee, new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “For more active international peacekeeping operations, our Navy should have carriers.”

According to Chung, the Navy envisions three phases:

■The first is to equip the second ship of the Dokdo-class landing platform helicopter ship (LPH) with a ski ramp to operate short-range or vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) aircraft.

The flight surface of the landing ship is already sprayed with urethane, which can withstand the heat created by the aircraft during operations.

Dokdo, with the addition of a ski ramp, could be deployed before 2019, according to the report, which suggests the Navy procure used VTOL jets from the US, UK and Spain if needed.

■Second, the Navy could build an amphibious assault ship, similar to the Spanish Navy’s Juan Carlos, before 2019.

■Finally, the service aims to build two 30,000-ton light aircraft carriers between 2028 and 2036, the report said. The carrier is to have specifications similar to the Italian aircraft carrier Cavour, which can support about 30 aircraft.

“We should have capabilities to deter North Korea, and at the same time, we need minimal capabilities to respond to potential threats from neighboring countries,” Choi replied to Chung, apparently referring to the naval buildups of China and Japan.

China commissioned its first aircraft carrier last year, with three more carriers planned. Japan, whose Navy is classed as a self-defense force, has controversially unveiled a 20,000-ton helicopter destroyer akin to a small aircraft carrier.

More Aegis Ships and Jets
During the National Assembly last week, the Navy unveiled mid- to long-term procurement plans to further strengthen its naval power.

The service plans to commission three more 7,600-ton KDX-III Aegis destroyers by 2023 to develop a strategic mobile fleet. The service has three KDX-III destroyers fitted with Lockheed Martin-built SPY-1D radar capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles and enemy aircraft.

“The construction of new Aegis ships could be completed earlier than scheduled,” Adm. Hwang Gi-chul, chief of naval operations, testified. “And the new Aegis ships will have better stealth functions than those with the existing ships.”

The Navy will also launch six, 5,900-ton next-generation destroyers — dubbed KDDX — after 2023.

The development of an attack submarine is on track, according to the Navy. The service plans to commission six more 1,800-ton Type 214 submarines to bring the 214 fleet to nine subs by 2023. After that, it will deploy nine, 3,000-ton heavy attack submarines codenamed KSS-III. The KSS-III is to be equipped with a vertical launch tube to fire a 1,500-kilometer cruise missile that can hit key targets in North Korea.

Other procurement plans include the FFX program to build a dozen new frigates with advanced sensors and a wide variety of weaponry. The FFX program is intended to replace the aging fleet of existing Ulsan class frigates and Pohang class corvettes with multimission frigates.

The 2,300- to 3,000-ton FFX vessels are to be built in two batches with an objective of putting up to 24 ships into service by 2026.

The Navy also puts a priority on acquiring reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft. In particular, the service laid out plans to buy the Lockheed S-3 Vikings retired from front-fleet service aboard aircraft carriers by the US Navy in January 2009.

The service will purchase 18 S-3 jets and modify them into a new configuration meeting the Navy’s operational requirements. If adopted, it will be the first fixed-wing jet patrol aircraft operated by the South Korean Navy, which flies 16 P-3CK turboprop patrol aircraft.

“The S-3 introduction will offer a great opportunity for the ROK Navy to operate a carrier-based jet, as the service envisions deploying aircraft carriers in the future,” Kim Dae-young, a research member of the Korea Defense & Security Forum, a private defense think tank here. “From the operational perspective, the S-3 is expected to be used for various purposes, such as patrol, surface warfare and aerial refueling.”

In order to beef up its anti-submarine operation, the Navy will procure six more new naval helicopters by 2022.

In January, AgustaWestland won a $560 million contract to supply the South Korean Navy with six AW159 Lynx Wildcat helicopters equipped with an active dipping sonar for anti-submarine role.

And the list of Carrier in the Pacific keeps rising.
 

Jeff Head

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And the list of Carrier in the Pacific keeps rising.
Yes, pointblank posted this article on this thread, just a day or two ago:

HERE: Pointblank's post regarding the Korean Carriers, here on the Aircraft Carrier Thread

I responded by putting together this pic of what the proposed next Dokdo with a Ski-Jump would look like:


dokdo-ramp.jpg


Anyhow, we were having quite the discussion regarding it, both here and on another thread. Putting a ski-jump on the next build Dokdo will not be that difficult, and they apparently already have the Dokdo itself coated with the proper heat resistant material...so they could come back and add one to her too.
 

bd popeye

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The Navy also puts a priority on acquiring reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft. In particular, the service laid out plans to buy the Lockheed S-3 Vikings retired from front-fleet service aboard aircraft carriers by the US Navy in January 2009.

The service will purchase 18 S-3 jets and modify them into a new configuration meeting the Navy’s operational requirements. If adopted, it will be the first fixed-wing jet patrol aircraft operated by the South Korean Navy, which flies 16 P-3CK turboprop patrol aircraft.

“The S-3 introduction will offer a great opportunity for the ROK Navy to operate a carrier-based jet, as the service envisions deploying aircraft carriers in the future,” Kim Dae-young, a research member of the Korea Defense & Security Forum, a private defense think tank here. “From the operational perspective, the S-3 is expected to be used for various purposes, such as patrol, surface warfare and aerial refueling.”

Sey what?? Those Vikings are all retired.. (except a couple)..and are at Davis-Mothan AFB in Tuscon AZ. If the ROK does purchase them I betcha it's at a bargain basement price.

Take your pick!

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Sey what?? Those Vikings are all retired.. (except a couple)..and are at Davis-Mothan AFB in Tuscon AZ. If the ROK does purchase them I betcha it's at a bargain basement price.

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No Problemo! pull the sticky off the windows, tell the local AeroSchell girl to clean the windows, check the tires, and oil N the hydraulics and engines, uncork both ends of the fan jets, and light that chick off with a cart start! A good crew could have em lit and airborne in two hours tops, and yes in the glory days their were AeroSchell girls who would provide fuel and service on your G-II. Thats the idea of flyable storage at Davis-Mothan AFB, in reality it takes the Gov a month and a Million to get one back up and runnin, but if we were stranded and absolutely positively had to get there!
 

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How much would cost to operate Vikings on land ? Seems to me they would be good COIN aircraft . US government could offer them with discount to countries like Iraq , Afghanistan , Pakistan ... for combat against insurgents . They would be better in that role then F-16s , and at the same time they would not intimidate neighbors .
 

bd popeye

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How much would cost to operate Vikings on land ? Seems to me they would be good COIN aircraft .

I don't know. When I was assigned to VS-33 we operated frequently out of our home base of NAS North Island CA..however most of our operations were over water.

To be a COIN aircraft the S-3Bs would have to be re-fitted with armor around the cockpit..correct?. Presently they have no armor. None.

S-3 can carry quite a load. They have a bomb bay and two external hard points. They could carry nearly any air launched weapon the USN possessed.

oh yea as a COIN aircraft the S-3 would need some sort of cannon I think. Presently there is none.
 

Jeff Head

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To be a COIN aircraft the S-3Bs would have to be re-fitted with armor around the cockpit..correct?. Presently they have no armor. None.

As a COIN aircraft the S-3 would need some sort of cannon I think. Presently there is none.
I can see them operating very effectively as Maritime patrol aircraft.

But quite frankly, a COIN mission seems like a real stretch to me.
 
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