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Jeff Head

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Asif just posted some game changing information regarding the Syria situation in the Middle East thread that I thought worthwhile to repost here. Sorry I couldn't figure out how to link directly to the original post.

This definitely ups the ante. Although I believe the US and friends can still come out on top it just got a whole lot more potentially painful for everyone.
This is so off topic it hurts.

But, I cannot help but notice that the report says "Putin Reportedly Threatens Saudi Arabia."

That tells me he probably did not threaten them directly at all.

I believe Putin has set the limits on what Russia is willing to accept with a US/Allies strike on Syria. He will not try to stop it or interfere unless it goes well beyond that. He will ensure that Assad does not escalate things. Putin does not want a shooting war with the US and its allies there...but I do not believe he will let Assad fall either. So he has voiced some sort of limits to the US.

I expect Obama will launch 100-200 Tomahawks at Syria that will ultimately do very little to change the game on the ground there with the civil war itself. He will crow about how tough he was, Puitin will condemn it, and things will go along as they are.

At this point I believe Assad is going to ultimately prevail.

However, the one big fly in the ointment that Putin cannot control...and neither can the US...is Iran. Putin will try and get them into his game plan, and perhaps they will abide it. But you never know with those guys and if they unleash the real dogs of war against Israel, then everything I just said could be overcome by events and things could escalate dangerously and quickly.

Now, back on topic.

SD has a thread bout ther Mid East, both news and military threads. Let's take this there.
 
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escobar

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... Perhaps the US is trying to give Iran a pretext to enter the fray so the US and Israel can then go in there and supress Iran and take down their nuclear program.

That's an interesting lead to follow on and consider.

I doubt you can do this kind of faux pas when you have two carriers near you. The Iranians are certainly not stupid.
 

asif iqbal

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I believe the two US carriers will play no part in the operation regarding the attack on Syria.

However, they are there, both of them at the same time, to provide a huge contingency should Iran decide to enter the conflict...and perhaps that is another "wheel within wheels," regarding this. Perhaps the US is trying to give Iran a pretext to enter the fray so the US and Israel can then go in there and supress Iran and take down their nuclear program.

That's an interesting lead to follow on and consider.

US could have 4 carriers in the Persian Gulf they will still not attack Iran nor will Israel its in no ones interest

Because the consequences are greater than just a initial attack, Pakistan has clearly stated any US attack on Iran is unacceptable, US and Pakistan have a close historical relationship going back decades and theres no way either county would want to get on the wrong side of the other

The last thing Pakistan needs is another destabilised neighbour and US knows it, as for Israel if they threaten Iran with nukes then Pakistan also has over 100 nuclear warheads and Shaheen III can hit 4500km away
 

thunderchief

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Lets move now to brighter news :D Apparently , on August 16th Mig-29K landed on INS Vikramaditya with full combat load . Now they are moving on testing maximum take-off weight :
Важный этап испытаний прошел 16 августа. Взлетев с аэродрома «Североморск» летчики-испытатели РСК «МиГ» посадили МиГ-29К на палубу с полной нагрузкой и получили «зачет». Про намеченные на конец августа испытания Леонов говорит следующее: «Сейчас мы должны отработать старт МиГ-29К с полной нагрузкой, чтобы еще раз подтвердить, что самолет с максимальной взлетной массой способен взлететь с палубы авианосца».

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Some pics from recent trials :

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bd popeye

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Lets move now to brighter news :D Apparently , on August 16th Mig-29K landed on INS Vikramaditya with full combat load . Now they are moving on testing maximum take-off weight :

Thanks for the information...seems like the Russians are having all the fun with the Vikramaditya.

What will be the max weight of that Mig-29? Will they be able to launch with a full "bag of fuel" Without enough fuel the Mig-29 missions will be limited.

Great article!!.. I used the google translator..works a lot better doing Russian to English! Rather than Chinese to English. They need to fix that.

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Jeff Head

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Thanks for the information...seems like the Russians are having all the fun with the Vikramaditya.

What will be the max weight of that Mig-29? Will they be able to launch with a full "bag of fuel" Without enough fuel the Mig-29 missions will be limited.
I believe that the Mig-29K was developed for the Indians, per their request, specifically with buddy stroe refueling capability to help in precisely this area.
 

Air Force Brat

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Thanks for the information...seems like the Russians are having all the fun with the Vikramaditya.

What will be the max weight of that Mig-29? Will they be able to launch with a full "bag of fuel" Without enough fuel the Mig-29 missions will be limited.

Great article!!.. I used the google translator..works a lot better doing Russian to English! Rather than Chinese to English. They need to fix that.

Article translated to English.

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The Russians always have all the fun Comrade, I know they are lovin all of this, anytime the US has to be "warned by Putin",I'm sure he finds this hilarious, and BHO, well who knows about that character, he may be lovin this too????? brat
 

thunderchief

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Thanks for the information...seems like the Russians are having all the fun with the Vikramaditya.

What will be the max weight of that Mig-29? Will they be able to launch with a full "bag of fuel" Without enough fuel the Mig-29 missions will be limited.

That I would not know . There are some pretty wild claims on Indian forums like this below , but best I have seen so far is 2 x Kh-35 , 2 x fuel tank , 2 x R-73 .


Thanks to the emergency mode, an aircraft with the take off weight of 17,700 kg could take off from the first starting position (in this case the take off run was 105 m), and a 22,400-kg heavy plane could take off from the second starting position (in this case the take off run amounted to 195 m).


Great article!!.. I used the google translator..works a lot better doing Russian to English! Rather than Chinese to English. They need to fix that.

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It is easier to translate from Russian to English then from Chinese to English because both Russian and English belong to Indo-European group of languages and they have similar structure , only different words . On the other hand , Chinese belongs to Sino-Tibetan group so you cannot just replace words when translating to English .
 
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