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Jeff Head

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JMSDF Ship , Hyuga DDH-181 in Yokosuka Japan August 2013
Here's what the Japanese can deploy now (soon with the Izumo) :


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JS Hyuga, DDH-181 ASW Carrier

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JS Ise, DDH-182 ASW Carrier

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JS Izumo, DDH-183 Large ASW/STOVL Carrier

Building up a nice fleet.
 

navyreco

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Waiting for official confirmation but...

French Navy deploying Charles de Gaulle Aircraft Carrier in the Mediterranean
According to French weekly Challenges citing a French MoD source, France is about to deploy its nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle to the Syrian coasts. The aircraft carrier and its battle group will join several US Navy vessels already deployed in the area: USS Gravely, USS Barry, USS Mahan and USS Ramage.
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asif iqbal

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French showing the Brits the value of a carrier, they have really made use of thier carrier in the recent times they deployed it off Libya coast too, we need two operatioal Queen Elizabeth carriers not two under construction

Imagine the slack RN could cut USN with two operational carriers, the force they could deploy the timing is right too with recent world events

Europe will be able to deploy a total of 6 aircraft carriers, with RN leading the pack with the largest and two most powerful carriers

If France didn't cancel thier second carrier that would mean 7 flat tops with 4 huge carriers between UK and France

Never the less the timing of the deployment of the French carrier is interesting, looks like a lot of assets are being being deployed ahead of a possible attack which could mean more than just tomahawks
 

Jeff Head

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The timing of the deployment of the French carrier is interesting, looks like a lot of assets are being being deployed ahead of a possible attack which could mean more than just tomahawks
NATO/West answer to Putin threatening to reinforce his vessels in the Syrian area. With four Burkes, two or more US SSNs, one or two UK SSNs, and an entire French carrier group, it will be hard for Russia to match that, and you can imagine that Italy also has vessels in the area and Turkey too.
 

asif iqbal

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NATO/West answer to Putin threatening to reinforce his vessels in the Syrian area. With four Burkes, two or more US SSNs, one or two UK SSNs, and an entire French carrier group, it will be hard for Russia to match that, and you can imagine that Italy also has vessels in the area and Turkey too.

There's a guy who keeps a tally on Russian warships through the Bosphoruos and it's said that this year around 30 ships have sailed south bound and around 50 north bound in 2013 alone so far

The south bound ships enter the Mediterranean and usually go onto Syria or Cyprus then Syria

The most frequent passage is by Aligator class landing cargo ships and Ropucha Class cargo vessels they seem lighter when they are on way back up the Black Sea meaning loads have been taken off

Russia has been supporting Syria right down to the last man, they have really backed up Assad and supported his regime dating back to when Assads father was a trainees fighter pilot in the Soviet Union
 
The Syria-Iran-Russia alliance cannot stand up to even just a US-UK-France-Gulf Arab states intervention, not to mention co-ordination and/or involvement by Turkey and/or Israel. They can try to escalate but ultimately they would lose an escalated conflict also.

If Sunni Islamic extremists end up on top locally after the Syrian government falls it will still take them a while to get enough in order to pose a threat to the US and they have a long list of enemies who are a lot closer by. There will be some cost to the US, and there is high risk but it is slim, but with the likelihood of a very advantageous outcome for the US.
 

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If Sunni Islamic extremists end up on top locally after the Syrian government falls it will still take them a while to get enough in order to pose a threat to the US and they have a long list of enemies. There will be some cost to the US, and there is high risk but it is slim, but with the likelihood of a very advantageous outcome for the US.
The most likely scenario, should Assad be defeated, is a fundamental Sunni led, Islamic regime taking power with ties to Al Quida that is far more extreme than Assad. This would be a disaster fot the US and probably lead to war with Israel, which would then involve Iran, and have the potential to pull in Russia and the US on opposing sides.

Assad is a far, far more stable player, even if he is not friendly to the US. Despite this, the Clinton and both Bush adminstrations were able to wrok with him to a point, and then control severe problems by using Israel to play him off against. Assad has kept the lid on Kurd-Shia-Sunni troubles in the area that also involve Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. A fundamental Sunni led Islamic regime with ties to Al Quida will not.

Assad does not out and out persecutre his minorities, including Christians. This will not be the case with a fundamental Sunni led Islamic regime with ties to Al Quida.

Assad has been able to maintain peace and the absence of out and out war with Isreal, a fundamental Sunni led Islamic regime with ties to Al Quida will not.

The list goes on. In the current situation there is no (as in zero) vtial US national interest served by attacking or bringing down Assad in the current environment. There are muitiple US national interests that will be severely endangered should Assad fall and Syrai fall into chaos, or have a fundamental Sunni led Islamic regime with ties to Al Quida take over.
 

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NATO/West answer to Putin threatening to reinforce his vessels in the Syrian area. With four Burkes, two or more US SSNs, one or two UK SSNs, and an entire French carrier group, it will be hard for Russia to match that, and you can imagine that Italy also has vessels in the area and Turkey too.

Don't forget the USS Harry S. Truman and her escorts in the Red Sea. Only a few days transit and through the Suez Canal and Carrier Strike Group Ten is on station in the Med.
 
Asif just posted some game changing information regarding the Syria situation in the Middle East thread that I thought worthwhile to repost here. Sorry I couldn't figure out how to link directly to the original post.

If there is a attack on Syria, Iran will not back down and Hezbollah will open a second front

Russia is not going to go easy this time, they are 100% standing by Assad no matter what and they seem hell bent on saving him

Putin is also threatening Saudis, Russia has no intention of letting this one go they have invested too much in Syria for too long

What happens if Russia starts positioning its ships off the coast of Syria and try's to block any attack? Even if a Russian vessel is hit by accident the situation will escalate

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This definitely ups the ante. Although I believe the US and friends can still come out on top it just got a whole lot more potentially painful for everyone.
 
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