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If you are going to count Sao Paulo out, Intrepid you may was well not count the Chinese Carrier or the Russian.

Intrepid said:

Brazil has a net difference of zero, not plus one.

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Thanks.

That is correct, and below in the regional results I had it adding up correctly and show a difference of zero.

I fixed the file.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

If you are going to count Sao Paulo out, Intrepid you may was well not count the Chinese Carrier or the Russian.

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He wasn't counting it out, he was just pointing out that in my column for the net difference for Brazil I showed a "1" when in actuality there was no net difference.

My file had it correct in the summary, but I had to fix the specific Brazil column.

Looking at pictures of 22DDH, I realized it doesn't have FCS-3 (hence the absence of ESSM too)

Any idea why Hyuga class comes with advanced FCS-3 radar + ESSM while 22DDH has none ? Budget reasons ?

Or whill FCS-3 be fitted at a later stage ?

navyreco said:

Looking at pictures of 22DDH, I realized it doesn't have FCS-3 (hence the absence of ESSM too)

Any idea why Hyuga class comes with advanced FCS-3 radar + ESSM while 22DDH has none ? Budget reasons ?

Or whill FCS-3 be fitted at a later stage ?

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The 22DDH is more aviation focused, as a result weapons have been moved off, so it has a more basic close in self-defence suite, in favour of more room for aircraft. She will be more reliant on escorts to provide air defence.

INS Vikramaditya tops speed expectations in sea trials
July 30, 2013 Alexander Yemelyanenkov, specially for RIR
On Sunday night, the Indian Navy’s aircraft carrier with a displacement of more than 40,000 tonnes achieved a speed of 29.3 knots, while sailing into the wind and against the current.

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The aircraft carrier Vikramaditya on trials in the White Sea has met its manoeuvrability and speed specification, achieving a speed of 29.3 knots. Source: Oleg Perov / Sevmash press office
The crew and sea trials team of the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, which is undergoing tests in the White Sea, gave themselves and their families the best possible present for Russia’s Navy Day. On the night of July 28, the ship’s main propulsion system was brought up to maximum power – the temperature in all eight boilers was raised to the upper limit, and they worked successfully. As a result this gigantic surface vessel with a displacement of more than 40,000 tonnes achieved a speed of 29.3 knots, thereby exceeding the expectations set for its design specification.
One of the first to hear the news was Sevmash shipyard veteran Eduard Leonov, the father of Igor Leonov, who is responsible for delivering the ship to its new owners.
“We were very anxious for our son and everyone else with him on board the aircraft carrier,” Eduard Leonov said. “And when our phone rang in the middle of the night on July 28, my wife and I didn’t doubt for a second that it was Igor. As soon as he spoke we knew the lads had nailed it! And considering the carrier was sailing into the wind and against the current when the test measurements were taken, those 29.3 knots are the equivalent of a full 30 knots, if not more…”

The Leonov dynasty of shipbuilders: Eduard Petrovich (centre), Igor Eduardovich (left) and Dmitry Igoryevich. Severodvinsk, 2013. Source: family archive.
The first information about this was also leaked to the Indian media, although there was no confirmation from Russian official sources. This is understandable, of course: the Vikramaditya belongs to the Indian Navy, which has been in charge of the refit and is now in charge of the trials. As a client, our Indian partners decide for themselves what to communicate, when and to whom. We accept this position and respect it.
But at the same time, how can we not be delighted with the overall success of the Russian shipbuilders, together with the Leonov family of shipbuilders, three generations of which are already linked with the Vikramaditya?
The head of this dynasty, Eduard Petrovich Leonov, spent more than 30 years building and testing nuclear-powered submarines and delivering them to our sailors, and at the beginning of the 2000s he was, as they say, thrown into refurbishing and refitting the cruiser Admiral Gorshkov, converting it into the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya, and became pretty much the main connection between the design office and the shipyard construction team.
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His son, Sevmash engineer Igor Leonov, who celebrated his fiftieth birthday in June of this year, became responsible for delivering this order (one of the most difficult Sevmash has ever handled) to the client when he was just over 40. And what does this responsibility mean? One the one hand it means he’s the tsar, God and a military commander all in one person, and on the other hand he’s the whipping boy, the one who carries the can in every situation when something doesn’t come together or there’s a glitch, or simply when things don’t happen on schedule.
Igor Eduardovich, who’s had up to 3,000 to 4,000 people working for him at different times, had been through all of this. And he was not afraid to take on board his own son, who has already managed to acquire the necessary specialist training, as well as a wife and son. Igor Dmitriyevich, the fourth man in the Leonov dynasty, has not yet set foot on the aircraft carrier’s deck, but he has already learned to stand and will definitely come with his mum and his great-grandfather to meet his father and grandfather when they return to port. If all goes according to plan, Vikramaditya’s trials, including fine tuning of operational liaison with the carrier’s aircraft in the Barents Sea, will conclude at the end of August.
It’s worth recalling that the trials currently underway are a kind of repeat exam for the aircraft carrier, its sea trials crew and everyone involved in delivering its equipment, including Baltiysky Zavod, where the boilers were manufactured. In June–August of last year the Vikramaditya had already shown what it could do in the White Sea and the Barents Sea. Serious problems were revealed at that time in the operation of the boilers. The aircraft carrier returned to Sevmash on September 23, 2012 so that they could be repaired and other issues that had come to light could be dealt with. Over the following nine months the fireproofing in all eight boilers of the ship’s main propulsion system were replaced (or repaired). At the same time some issues to do with repairing imported equipment were addressed.
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The aircraft carrier sailed into the White Sea on July 3, as planned. The ship’s manoeuvrability and speed were checked, and test flights were carried out to check the electronic warfare systems of auxiliary aircraft. Here, in the White Sea, the Vikramaditya took on board a significant proportion of its Indian crew and was refuelled for its passage into the Barents Sea, where trials involving the ship’s aircraft will be conducted.
The Severodvinsk shipyard’s press office explained that the aim of these trials is to check individual systems and items of equipment on the ship. Another important objective is practical training for the Indian crew. Most of them will arrive in Severomorsk on August 3-4 and transfer immediately to the aircraft carrier.
It is planned to complete the full cycle of trials by October 15. After this a further month is allocated to dealing with minor issues. The documentation for delivery of the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya to the Indian Navy is scheduled to be signed on November 15. After this the ship will make its own way to its permanent base on the Indian Ocean shore, manned by its Indian crew and a small number of the Russian sea trials team (headed by Igor Leonov, as requested by the Indian side)

MiGs touch down on the Vikramaditya’s deck
August 6, 2013 Aleksandr Yemelyanenkov, specially for RIR
The last phase of tests on the Indian aircraft carrier began yesterday on the Barents Sea.






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Su-33 aircrafts (featured above) were used in tests in 2012. Source: RSK MiG and OAO Sevmash archive
The final phase of tests on the INS Vikramaditya commenced on Monday, August 5, with a joint practice mission involving naval aircraft from Russia’s Northern Fleet. The mission, in which MiG-29s performed several approaches at different altitudes and a touchdown on the aircraft carrier’s deck, was led by RSK MiG chief pilot Mikhail Belyayev.

RSK MiG chief pilot Mikhail Belyayev. Source: RSK MiG and OAO Sevmash archive
Around this time a year ago, Belyayev flew over the Vikramaditya’s deck together with test pilot Nikolai Diorditsa, who has been accorded the Hero of the Russian Federation title. The test pilots flew 517 sorties – including 41 landings and 41 take-offs from the aircraft carrier’s deck – in July and August 2012, testing the aircraft, the fuelling and flight support equipment, the aircraft lifts, its launch assist systems and arresting gear.
Overall, the commissioning team had no complaints about the work of the aircraft wing or the operation of the ship’s support systems. Representatives of the Indian Navy were also satisfied. But the testing wasn’t completed in full; night-time take-offs and landings did not take place, for example, because of a serious failure of the ship’s power plant. The fire-proof protection of all eight boilers gave in to extreme temperatures.
As a result, the aircraft carrier was returned to Sevmash last autumn to undergo a complicated nine-month overhaul with assistance from representatives of the Baltic Shipyard (where the boilers were manufactured). The deadline was duly met, and the aircraft carrier, complete with repaired boilers, sailed into the White Sea on July 3. The ship passed every other trial a day before Navy Day and developed the top speed of 29.3 knots under regular load at full displacement.
According to earlier plans, the full testing cycle involving an aircraft wing and maritime training for the Indian crew is scheduled for completion by October 15. After that, one month will be allotted to eliminate any minor flaws. The INS Vikramaditya should be handed over to the Indian Navy in November.

Delay in air defence system
The Vikramaditya will have to wait another 3 years for a air defence weapon, The New Indian Express reported on Monday.
The delay in getting the Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile or LR-SAM will be at the Indian end, the paper said, adding that India decided to develop it jointly with Israel and the project is facing delays.
The aircraft carrier will be retrofitted with a Russian-origin AK-630 rapid fire gun, during its first and immediate refit on arrival in India, the paper said.

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“Vikramaditya” Aircraft Carrier Started Air Operation Trials

At present, approximately 1700 personnel, including Indian Crew, have embarked the Carrier and around 170 more Indian Crew are expected to arrive shortly for their On Board Practical Training and participating in Delivery Acceptance Trials.

The ongoing sea trials mainly include testing of Electronic Warfare Systems, Aircraft Maintenance Equipment on board and Gauging of Electric Fields. Most important of all, the trials of Main Propulsion Plant, which include the speed and maneuverability trials of the ship are being conducted in the White Sea.

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I think these are videos from last years sea trials of the Vikramaditya based on the upload dates. But i don't think we have seen them yet here.

[video=youtube;KNxWnWBVsyw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNxWnWBVsyw#at=123[/video]

[video=youtube;L_Vl9yQwsw8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Vl9yQwsw8[/video]

Is Any Ship Not an Aircraft Carrier Anymore?

There are times at which the launch of a medium-sized, helicopter carrying sea control ship would not roil the Pacific Rim. Last week was not one of those times.

Izumo is a classic sea control ship, designed to provide rump aviation capacity to a task force and to enhance anti-submarine capability. It should also prove an effective platform for disaster relief operations, especially given the expectation that it will operate the V-22 Osprey.

The need for Izumo is driven by the increasing size and reach of the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force (JMSDF), which taxes the fleet’s indigenous aviation capacity.

In general, regional concern about Japan’s naval aviation program focuses on offensive capability, and Izumo’s utility as an offensive platform depends on its ability to operate the F-35B. Early indications suggest that the ships structural features will limit this capacity, even assuming that Japan decides to acquire the vertical and/or short take-off and landing (VSTOL) variant of the Joint Strike Fighter. For example, the elevators on Izumo are not particularly well-suited to operating the F-35, especially at any kind of high intensity.

Izumo’s launch was hardly the only naval aviation news to emerge over the past week. Photographic evidence seems to indicate that China is well on its way to a second, indigenous carrier, this one sporting full catapults. India has launched its indigenous carrier, although Vikrant will not apparently enter service until 2018 at the earliest. Altogether, the naval aviation seascape of Asia is growing crowded, especially amid expectations that Russia will deploy one or two of its new Mistral class amphibious assault ships to the Pacific.

More broadly, the reaction to the launch of Izumo reinforces my belief that we need a better naval vocabulary. Although the term “helicopter destroyer” is a bit of a joke, it’s not really any more funny that referring to the USS America and the USS Tripoli as “amphibious assault ships” rather than “light aircraft carriers.” As long as we continue to refer to 22,000-ton helicopter carriers, 45,000-ton STOBAR carrier, and 95,000 ton CATOBAR carriers by the same term, people will continue to panic about mild improvements in the JMSDF’s helicopter projection capability.

This fact is relentlessly reinforced whenever anyone mentions that the United States operates 10 aircraft carriers. By the terms that Americans judge other nations’ warships, the U.S. Navy operates 19 aircraft carriers. It would surely be better to adopt a more accurate nomenclature that distinguished between fleet carriers (CVs), light carriers (CVLs), and Sea Control Ships (CVEs).

However, the past week’s events reinforce my impression that one of the primary missions of aircraft carriers is to convey symbolic power and national prestige. In this sense, the Chinese reaction to Izumo is unproductive, as Beijing’s excessive concern led others to inflate their own perceptions of Izumo’s capabilities, and consequently increase the symbolic importance of the ship to the JMSDF’s domestic constituency.

The best thing to do with a foreign “flat decked aircraft carrying ship” is, perhaps, to studiously ignore it in public, while preparing to sink it in private.

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