Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

I think we may see a repeat of the Liaoning vs Vikramaditya where by India leads China with huge start date but the Chinese speed allows them to catch up

China may have started its carrier construction after India but they may be commissioned roughly at the same time

Jeff Head said:

These two pictures show why the Vikrant is going to be another year and a half to two years before she is ready for sea trials:

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I still think the angled out section of the deck is also to be added.

I also think not much if any of her innards are done, which is why she sits really high in the water. In the pic you can see they need some sort of platform underneath the hull in the forward section to keep her balanced.

Jeff Head said:

These two pictures show why the Vikrant is going to be another year and a half to two years before she is ready for sea trials:

As you can see, there are several major portions of the ship that simply are not finished yet.

The lower hull is completed. But the upper hull is only complted about 75% of the way from the bow back. The flight deck only covers that area of the vessel. So you still have approximately 20-25% of the upper hull and flight deck to complete.

And, of course the island is not on the vessel yet. All of that has to be complete, which will include significant portions of the innards and probably the aft section of the hanger deck, before the major weapons, sensors, and other systems can be added.

I believe the Indian government was at a point where they had to launch the vessel. It is so late, and they need the support of the people for the government and the military. So they launched her imcomplete so the people could see that significant progress had been made, though she is already 3 years late.

It is still an hoistoric and exciting event...but it is also now what most of us would consider a vessel that was truly ready to launch.

I am looking for some pictures of the vessel from the aft that would show the nature of what has not been completed back there in more detail.

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Exactly, the Indians are merely doing it to showcase it to the public even thought it's nothing more than a painted empty hull that looks like a container ship at this point.

Once they start installing a gazillion foreign electronics or weapons systems, it's gonna take years of delay before the shipyard readies her for the Indian navy. Have they even finished completing that indigenous class of DDGs yet?

I've been doing a little analysis on Aircraft Carrier growth throughout the world over the last ten years. Some interesting findings. I am including CATOBAR and STOBAR carries, as well as STOVL carriers (meaning also full, flat-deck Amphibious Assault vessels). No LPDs, but LPHs, LHDs, LHAs and DDHs with full length flat decks are included.

In 2003 there were a total of 44 such vessels world wide. In 2013 there are 48 such vessels. A gain of four total. But, in those numbers, 13 vessels were decommissioned and 17 new vessels were built. 17 new carriers built throughout the world in ten years! That's an average of almost two per year! So much for all those comments a few years ago that the age of carriers was done, eh?

Anyhow, the distribution is interesting to. Of the 13 decommissioned, the US and UK decommissioned a total of 10 of them. That would be the US Enterprise, the US JFK, two US Kitty Hawks, three US Tarawas, and three UK Invincibles.

Here's how the numbers changed by region:

North America (meaning the US) went from 25 carriers to 21 carriers. A loss of four.

Europe went from a total of 12 carriers to a total of 13 carriers. A gain of one. The QEs do not figure into this yet.

South America remained at one carrier throughout this time, Brazil's Sao Paulo.

But look at what Asia did. Asia went from a total of 6 carrier vessels to a total of 13 carrier vessels in ten years. That's where the Naval arms race is going on...and I am sure if you do a similar study of destroyers, frigates, and submarines you would find the same thing. Anyhow, here's a tabble showing all of this:

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Another for the "launched category, this time the Indian, INS Vikrant.


Launched Monday, August 12, 2013. Their first indegenous carrier.

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I've been doing a little analysis on Aircraft Carrier growth throughout the world over the last ten years. Some interesting findings. I am including CATOBAR and STOBAR carries, as well as STOVL carriers (meaning also full, flat-deck Amphibious Assault vessels). No LPDs, but LPHs, LHDs, LHAs and DDHs with full length flat decks are included.

In 2003 there were a total of 44 such vessels world wide. In 2013 there are 48 such vessels. A gain of four total. But, in those numbers, 13 vessels were decommissioned and 17 new vessels were built. 17 new carriers built throughout the world in ten years! That's an average of almost two per year! So much for all those comments a few years ago that the age of carriers was done, eh?

Anyhow, the distribution is interesting to. Of the 13 decommissioned, the US and UK decommissioned a total of 10 of them. That would be the US Enterprise, the US JFK, two US Kitty Hawks, three US Tarawas, and three UK Invincibles.

Here's how the numbers changed by region:

North America (meaning the US) went from 25 carriers to 21 carriers. A loss of four.

Europe went from a total of 12 carriers to a total of 13 carriers. A gain of one. The QEs do not figure into this yet.

South America remained at one carrier throughout this time, Brazil's Sao Paulo.

But look at what Asia did. Asia went from a total of 6 carrier vessels to a total of 13 carrier vessels in ten years. That's where the Naval arms race is going on...and I am sure if you do a similar study of destroyers, frigates, and submarines you would find the same thing. Anyhow, here's a tabble showing all of this:

I don't understand what warrants them to launch 50% complete ship.

To gain any political grounds????

OR

Are we are into another Kolkata class scenario.

Jeff Head said:

I've been doing a little analysis on Aircraft Carrier growth throughout the world over the last ten years ...

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Brazil has a net difference of zero, not plus one.

timepass said:

I don't understand what warrants them to launch 50% complete ship.

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I think, it is the limit of the dimension of the building facility.