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Franklin

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The new deadline for the handover of the INS Vikramaditya is 15 november 2013.

Repairs to the Vikramaditya’s steam boilers near completion

The rebuilding of the steam boilers at the INS Vikramaditya is nearing its end and the Indian aircraft carrier will sail for final testing with an Indian and a Russian crew onboard, according to Alexander Fomin, the head of the united Russian delegation at the LAAD-2013 aerospace show in Brazil.

“The rebuilding of the steam boilers is nearing completion. This month, the ship should return to dock. The entire process is already following a new delivery schedule, which is on track. In the summer, the ship will sail for final performance and factory testing, with a Russian and an Indian crew onboard. In the autumn, in November, as agreed, we should deliver the ship to the Indian side”, Fomin said.

The official delivery ceremony for the Vikramaditya (the former Russian vessel Admiral Gorshkov) was scheduled for 4 December 2012. Yet the tests in September last year revealed a number of flaws, including the steam boilers of the main power plant failing to run at full capacity. This has pushed the delivery date back to 2013 (15 November, according to Sevmash) and led to a possibility that India might fine Russia, though reportedly this did not happen.

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Jeff Head

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INS Vikramaditya Poised to meet Deadline

Here's a good, lengthy article about the INS Vikramaditya and its current schedule, including a lot of details previously not mentioned:

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Russia & India Report - April 25 said:
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The INS Vikramaditya has undergone a complex operation at Russia’s Sevmash shipyard ahead of the final stage of trials and delivery to the Indian Navy later this year.

With 10 weeks still left until July 3, 2013, when the final sea trials are due to begin, tug boats carefully manoeuvred the giant ship to a drainable pool. There the Vikramaditya will once again be put on a frame. Once the water has been drained, engineers will inspect the hull of the ship and all its outboard parts and components.

According to the head of the commissioning team, Igor Leonov, all the procedures in the dry dock - which are compulsory for a ship after repairs - will take two months. So far, the project remains strictly on the latest schedule.The April 25 deadline for putting the ship in the dock has been met, Leonov said.

Ekaterina Pilikina, spokeswoman for the Sevmash shipyard, gave the media details of the elaborate operation. The main complication was that there were only a few centimetres to spare between the hull of the enormous ship and the sluice gate. To make matters worse, the team worked in strong winds and had only an hour at the peak of the high tide to complete their task.

The operation was observed by senior Sevmash executives; the head of the White Sea naval base, Vladimir Vorobyev; the captain of the Indian crew of the Vikramaditya, Suraj Berry and the head of the Indian observation team, Kudaravalli Srinivas. Both Indian representatives were impressed with what they saw.

Srinivas said this was the second time he saw such an operation. The first was back in 2008, when the ship was being taken out of the drainable pool after repairs. “Now Sevmash specialists have once again demonstrated their professionalism,” the Indian representative said. “They have coped very well with their task.”

The chief executive of the shipyard, Mikhail Budnichenko, expressed confidence that all the remaining work in the dock “will be done well and on schedule.” Sergey Novoselov, head of defence export projects at Sevmash, explained the nature of that work: “In accordance with the contract, we must inspect the state of the hull, the propeller-rudder system, and the sea valves. We will also restore the paintwork below the waterline, if necessary.”

Novoselov added that most of the problems identified during the sea trials have already been fixed. The ongoing refurbishment of the main boilers involves specialists of the companies which designed and manufactured them. The refurbishment is scheduled for completion in May. All the interim results of the project are inspected by the Indian customer and by the Russian MoD.

Before the Vikramaditya can take to the sea once again, the Sevmash quality assurance specialists will be asked to present their findings on 435 separate items covering almost the entire ship, including tens of thousands of individual parts and components. In addition, much of the interior finish has yet to be completed.

“There are more than 2,500 compartments in the ship,” Novoselov says. “That includes combat stations, bays, cabins, engine and boiler rooms, power plant compartments, and a 120 metre-long hangar, which is about the same length as a football pitch. We must paint all these compartments, install the hardware, properly insulate all the piping and frame elements, and present the whole thing for the customer's inspection. In addition to the engineers setting up the main equipment, we also have painters, joiners, fitters, insulation technicians and other specialists working on the Vikramaditya.”

“On July 2013 the aircraft carrier will begin sea trials in the White Sea; we will spend a month testing all the boilers of the main power plant under various loads. The next stage of the trials will commence on August 3 in the Barents Sea, and end on September 30. It will involve the planes and helicopters based on the carrier; the aim is to test the operation of the entire carrier-aircraft complex. One of the critical parts of the trials is aircraft landings on the deck of the Vikramaditya during night-time. These flights will begin in late August or early September, once the midnight sun period north of the Polar Circle is over.

Then the ship is scheduled to return to Sevmash in early October to begin preparations for the voyage to India. November 15 is the deadline for the aircraft to be delivered to the customer and (for the ship to) set sail for its new home in India. Incidentally, we are planning a shorter route for that journey, via the Suez Canal rather than around Africa. In accordance with the terms of the contract, Sevmash engineers will perform repairs and maintenance during the initial 12-month warranty period, and then provide their services for another 20 years once the warranty has expired."

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asif iqbal

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Wow DCNS is such a amazing company, their naval exports are amazing countrys from East to West buys some amazing equipment from them

I think Brazil should certainly build a aircraft carrier and France should certainly build a second one, both can work together saving lots of money

Brazil economy is getting bigger and they need to get a carrier to secure thier interest, that would mean 2 extra carrier strike groups sailing the high high seas

If things were planned better France could have gone for the Queen Elizabeth Carrier from BAE which would mean inturn Brazil could have built two from this class which means the QE would have 5 possible units built, which would make it very successful
 

asif iqbal

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I don't know if anyone has watched the movie "Olympus has fallen" I watched it last week at the cinema and it show a clip of the US 7th fleet pulling out of Japan, clearly a error they showed the carrier as CVN-67 which is USS John F. Kennedy when they should have showed CVN-73 which is USS George Washington which is based at Yokosuka naval station Japan

I pulled over to my friend and told him this was a error he couldn't care less, he was like how the hell do you know that anyway lol, but I knew 67 is the only Kitty Hawk carrier before Nimitz Class building started at CVN-68

Anyhow it was a ok movie I did enjoy the military part
 

asif iqbal

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It's funny how sometimes you don't actual realise how much you know about things unless you talk to people about the right subject at the right time, sometimes you suprise yourself, it bet you know all the pennants and names by heart Bdpopeye I think I know that Jeff certainly does or at least the Nimitz Class
 

thunderchief

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I think Brazil should certainly build a aircraft carrier and France should certainly build a second one, both can work together saving lots of money

Brazil economy is getting bigger and they need to get a carrier to secure thier interest, that would mean 2 extra carrier strike groups sailing the high high seas

Hate to be a party breaker ;) , but there is a greater chance that France would get rid of current aircraft carrier (De Gaulle) instead of building second (Richelieu) :
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I don't think they would do that (it would be a great shame for them) but second carrier is unlikely .

As for Brazil , looks like São Paulo (former Foch) is enough for them for now . With modernized A-4s they have enough capacity for local threats (if any) .
 

asif iqbal

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Hate to be a party breaker ;) , but there is a greater chance that France would get rid of current aircraft carrier (De Gaulle) instead of building second (Richelieu) :
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I don't think they would do that (it would be a great shame for them) but second carrier is unlikely .

As for Brazil , looks like São Paulo (former Foch) is enough for them for now . With modernized A-4s they have enough capacity for local threats (if any) .

I am aware of that and PA2 looks to be delayed indefinitely but if the economic situation does get better then the funds became available then so does the project, so it's not completely dead

France getting ride of thier carrier has always been the talk but unlikely to happen, France has just spent lots of money on the Mali war and now defence officials are using this and the Libya crisis to justify new procurrment plans which may end up materialising, recent events have really put France on the map and they seen how handicapped the UK was during Libya when we didn't have a carrier to launch our aircraft and ended up using Trapani in Sicily and 5 hour round trips using aerial refuelling for the Typhoons

Down the line if Europe has the following

Italy 2 carriers
Spain 1
France 2
UK 2

That's 7 carriers in Europe with the ability to deploy 3-4 if needs be, infact maybe even 5 if UK surges both Queen Elizabeth Carriers which they can easily do now with STOBAR

If China, Russia and India have 7 carriers they could deploy also 4 carriers

Brazil is now larger economy than many in Europe and down the line can afford 2 carriers, with the ability to deploy 1 at any time

So thats 4 from Europe, 4 from China, Russia and India, 1 from Brazil so that's 9 carriers on deployments from non-US country's, actually that would be 9 carrier task forces

USN can certainly surge 7 carriers maybe 8, but let's remember these are super carriers, in terms of sortie rate USN alone would still have the edge over rest of the world combined!!

Then they can easily surge 6-7 LHDs, so that 14 flat tops from the USN plus the 8 from the rest of the world we have 22 flat tops on deployments which is very good to secure international trade

Note I didn't bother with Thailands little carrier even if you call it one
 
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