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NikeX

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F-14 and F-15 were offered to Iran in response to repeated MiG-25 overflights of Iran. The Shah chose the F-14-Phoenix system to defend Iranian airspace against Russian intrusions.

During the 1970s, the Soviet air force conducted reconnaissance overflights across Iran using its MiG-25RBSh aircraft in response to joint US-Iran recon operations. Soviet Foxbats overflew Iran from the Caspian Sea at 65,000ft and Mach 2.5 to photograph the Iranian Air base at Khatami near Isfahan where the new Iranian F-14 Tomcats were based. However, this activity ceased once the aircraft became operational as they were quite capable of successfully attacking the aircraft with the Hughes Phoenix missile.

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NikeX

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Considering how the Chinese are using American carrier operations as their template I wonder how they are studying the Ouija Board for their deck procedures since there is little written about this vital operation of aircraft handling on the flight deck?

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While there is an electronic version of the Ouija Board, a manual version exists because it has been shown that battle damage can put electronics out of action and years of operating carriers has taught the US Navy the lesson of having manual backups for major systems

How the PLAN handles these problems should prove most enlightening. I look forward to seeing their solutions

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Jeff Head

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A banana republic was a Middle American country effectively ruled by a banana company then called United Fruit and then domiciled in New Orleans. It was to a significant extent responsible for the replacement of the elected president of Guatemala by a military dictatorship in 1954.
In the US the term "bannana Republic" has become synonymous with any tin-horn dictatorship of any kind (political or religious ideology) that says it is a "republic" with elections, but whose elections are in reality a mock, with toltalitatirian rule, and blusters endlessly about their abilities to crush their adversaries.

In that context...which I know is what AFB meant...the comparison indeed fits.
 

asif iqbal

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I doubt if the Iranians have any AIM-54 Phoenix missiles left. And if they do they are in no condition to be fired. Those missiles have been in Iran for 32 years. What happens to missiles and rockets after a long storage is this. the rocket motors, which are a solid propellent, tend to crack. Those cracks cause the missile to explode before said missiles reach their target.

And another issue.. without the E-2 Hawkeye to help direct it the Tomcat is limited in performance of it's mission.

that point was not to say that Iran has operational Phoenix missiles, but to state how many they got, they do have some but for national day parade which is really just a display

as for what state they are in, well I think we can safely say they are not in any shape for combat duties, but if there is one thing Iran is good at, that is keeping things operational and combat ready and we have seen this time and time again over the years, not only that have successfully built their own versions through reverse engineers, that’s how they built Sattar 4 which is reverse engineered Aim-54

and F14 is not useless without E2 Hawkeye, sure it does compromise its ability, but during decade long war Iranian F14 Tomcats totalled many kills on Iraqi fighters, they even managed a 8 hours CAP mission with 4 mid-air refuelling’s in 1986 and even in the closing stages of the war they were flying combat missions over Iraqi territory, F14 may be hard to maintain but that doesn’t mean Iran can’t do it

the point here really is this, through the massive deals during the 1970s, today Iran has inherited a massive military industry which can trace its evolution back to all US supplied equipment, like Panha 209 a version of the AH-1 which was recently used to bomb Iran-Afghan border for drug smugglers and so many more examples

btw Iran still operates CH-53 captured during Operational Eagle Claw in 1980, more than 3 decades ago
 

bd popeye

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and F14 is not useless without E2 Hawkeye,

Never stated it was useless.

And another issue.. without the E-2 Hawkeye to help direct it the Tomcat is limited in performance of it's mission.

It's limited. The team of an Hawkeye and Tomcat can do much, much more than track 6 targets. I believe that info is still classified.

Oh yea I'm well aware off the IIAF performance with Tomcats...Years ago in another forum we had a discussion about that. Please read.

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Air Force Brat

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Never stated it was useless.



It's limited. The team of an Hawkeye and Tomcat can do much, much more that track 6 targets. I believe that info is still classified.

Oh yea I'm well aware off the IIAF performance with Tomcats...Years ago in another forum we had a discussion about that. Please read.

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IIAF website;

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It would be quite interesting to know how many of those A models were still airworthy, and to what if any extent they may be combat ready, but I would imagine a half dozen to be in the ballpark.
 

Air Force Brat

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In the US the term "bannana Republic" has become synonymous with any tin-horn dictatorship of any kind (political or religious ideology) that says it is a "republic" with elections, but whose elections are in reality a mock, with toltalitatirian rule, and blusters endlessly about their abilities to crush their adversaries.

In that context...which I know is what AFB meant...the comparison indeed fits.

That is exactly my point, and thank you for the west texas translation, tin horn dictatorship, where you don't know who el-presidente may shoot next. The thread bd shares relates that many top Iranian military personel were also "purged", pilots and mechanics alike by the paranoid schizophrenia of the supposed "republic", a personality trait seemingly shared by most brutal dictators and gangs?
 

delft

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In the US the term "bannana Republic" has become synonymous with any tin-horn dictatorship of any kind (political or religious ideology) that says it is a "republic" with elections, but whose elections are in reality a mock, with toltalitatirian rule, and blusters endlessly about their abilities to crush their adversaries.

In that context...which I know is what AFB meant...the comparison indeed fits.
I know. In that sense I have even heard it use on BBC, but more often on a Dutch radio station, for the British monarchy. But the standard meaning is that invented by O.Henry, one of my favorite writers.
 
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bd popeye

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It would be quite interesting to know how many of those A models were still airworthy, and to what if any extent they may be combat ready, but I would imagine a half dozen to be in the ballpark.

I don't know about the Iranian F-14A but the USN Tomcats were ordered disabled after the blackmarket parts scandal.

All sales of Tomcat spare parts were halted..

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More Tomcat pix with the original USN captions..

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Atlantic Ocean (July 24, 2006) - An F-14D Tomcat assigned to the "Tomcatters" of Fighter Squadron Three One (VF-31) prepares for an arrested landing on the flight deck aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). Roosevelt is currently under way maintaining qualifications as part of the Fleet Response Plan. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Michael D. Cole (RELEASED)

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Virginia Beach, Va. (March 10, 2006) - F-14 Tomcats assigned to the “Black lions” Fighter Squadron Two One Three (VF-213) and the "Tomcatters" of Fighter Squadron Three One (VF-31) fly in formation over Naval Air Station Oceana after completing its final deployment flying the F-14 Tomcats. For the past 30 years, the F-14 Tomcat has assured U.S. air superiority, playing a key role in ensuring victory and preserving peace around the world. The F-14 Tomcat will be removed from service and officially stricken from the inventory in September of 2006. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Steven King (RELEASED)

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At sea aboard USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) Dec. 25, 2001- Christmas Day, an F-14 “Tomcat” from the "Checkmates" of Fighter Squadron Two One One (VF-211) launches off of the flight deck. Stennis and her embarked Carrier Air Wing Nine (CVW-9) are conducting missions in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. U.S. Navy photo by Photographers Mate 3rd Class Troy M. Latham (Released)

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At sea aboard USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) Nov. 14, 2002 -- An F-14 “Tomcat” assigned to the “Black Knights” of Fighter Squadron One Five Four (VF-154) launches past steaming catapults on the bow of the ship. After an aircraft launches, steam is released as catapult pressure subsides. Kitty Hawk is the Navy’s only permanently forward-deployed aircraft carrier and operates out of Yokosuka, Japan. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 3rd Class Todd Frantom. (RELEASED)

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Atlantic Ocean (Nov. 21, 2003) -- Squadron members perform maintenance on F-14B Tomcats assigned to Carrier Air Wing Seven (CVW 7) which are positioned closely together on the flight deck aboard USS George Washington (CVN 73). The nuclear powered aircraft carrier is conducting Composite Training Unit Exercise (COMPTUEX) in the Atlantic Ocean. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate Airman Nicole Goehre (RELEASED)

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Ah yes.. fond memories of the Tomcat..
The Mediterranean Sea (Apr. 28, 2003) -- Sailors assigned to the “Swordsmen” of Fighter Squadron Thirty Two (VF-32) perform maintenance on an F-14 Tomcat in the hangar bay aboard USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75). Truman and Carrier Air Wing Three (CVW-3) are on deployment conducting missions in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Operation Iraqi Freedom is the multinational coalition effort to liberate the Iraqi people, eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and end the regime of Saddam Hussein. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate Airman Ryan O'Connor. (RELEASED)
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The Navy even took the Step of chopping them not some thing they normally do. They were it seems worried parts might find there way too Iran as the only other nation with them.
 
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