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delft

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Its not the politics, but the practice of the USN, and as Jeff stated, the deck can be brought up to any spec desired as illustrated by the Wasp. It is not in the dogma or doctrine of the USN to to build ramps on Catobar carriers since the Catobar system is far more capable, and in my opinion as a pilot, it is far safer to be launched with flying speed, than to jump off the end of the deck at high alpha and low airspeed. I have made most of my departures off of a short sod strip, if the grass is tall, the field is short or soft, a cylinder a little low on compression, the airplane has a cruise prop, the nose gear strut flat or underinflated, same with tires, the airplane over gross, too many or to large a load, too much fuel, or there are obstructions, you will reduce airspeed from best rate to best angle of climb. As you do the pucker factor goes way up, add adverse winds, weather, or darkness and the odds of an accident or incident go way up, so no thanks to a ramp, I'm certain a very high percentage of USN pilots would agree, speed is life, especially off the deck on departure!
We all know about the mother would told her son he should fly low and slow.
The point about the ski ramp is that you do not depart at a high alpha. You depart at a pretty low alpha so you would follow a semi-parabolic trajectory that gives you a good time to accelerate to flying speed or, if something is seriously wrong, to leave your office. I would think you have more time to analyse the situation and decide when you leave over a ski ramp than when you are catapulted from a flat deck. But I didn't make the calculations.
 

Jeff Head

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Great information about the US Navy Ford class CVN.

The below is a screen shot..That's the only way I could get the whole article in one post..and it's a lot easier..
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is a testment to the US commitment, and the
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is a testament to the same, and the
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, and finally, the
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is also a testament to the same.

In addition to the continued presence and building of the Burke Class and its improvement, the LCS, the San Antonios, etc., etc. these new "leap ahead" classes show that the US is also not sitting on what they already have, either the platforms or the technology and the commitment (with the F-35 and the X-47) are being made across the board in all aspects of naval warfare..

Excellent article Popeye!
 

Jeff Head

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The Vikramaditya looking sharp.

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She has a ppretty hefty head of steam up there. It will be interesting exactly how the Indians end up addressing the brick/insulation issue and whether they go ahead and get her started operationally with just a minor fix before hand over and then save a more thorough refit for later back in India.

She looks good thee though.
 

MwRYum

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Indian Carrier Vikramaditya decides to go with asbestos cardboard to replace defective firebricks

"The malfunctioning of the boilers that occurred during high-speed tests will not require their replacement or removal from the vessel. The problem has been pinned down to insulation lining that is placed between the boiler steel casing and ceramic firebricks. Traditional asbestos lining was not used at the request of Indian specialists and replacement material developed slight deformation when the boilers were run at full power, causing some firebricks to fall out. The Indian side has now agreed to the use of asbestos cardboard."

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Comments: Smart move by the Indian Navy. Get the INS Vikramaditya into service since everything else performed well during sea trials and get Mig-29Ks flying off her deck.

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Dude, the link doesn't work.

But on the topic: the full situation isn't as bad as initially reported, so instead of make it into real serious delay, they seems to relent to the boiler's original design of using asbestos for insulation...well, they can always make plans for non-asbestos replacement to swap in during the ship's next maintenance cycle.
 

Air Force Brat

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[video=youtube;y0pbbhDTmJ0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0pbbhDTmJ0[/video]

Great video Reco, and a definite amen to twin engine naval fighters off the carrier, obviously plenty of thrust and prolly light, but very cool!

Notice how the steam cats fling those little buggers into the air, even if you lose an engine, you are above VMC, and stick in a boot and climb on out, lose one off the ramp, you"re a swimmer. This is why I am not happy with the single engine F-35, those Navy drivers and Canadians made a believer out of me when they rejected tooth and nail the F-16, and choose instead the YF-17>F-18 as their ride, all in all a very good call, and the Hornet is a very happy airplane off the deck, the SHornet as well, lots of rudder and excellent low speed manners, the only time it gets twitchy is real slow. Not to criticise the ramp, but it does have a number of limitations, and why get all exercised about emals, the steam cat gets the job done in a fine fashion, and I honestly believe China's first indigenous carriers will be so equipped. I'll be happy when the Brits get back into the carrier club in high fashion, ramps and B models all round, but its nice to see the Deguale continues to provide aircover for the fleet in the interim!
 
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bd popeye

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at 0.33, is it me or does it seems they only turn on the afterburner after the plane is in the air?

Looks like it..I've witnessed thousands of catapult launches and I've never seen that before. Ever.
 
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