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Air Force Brat

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what are those white containers, are they cabins for the workers, weard looking, why so rusty and well kind of old looking? or maybe its the angle

No it doesn't look like much at this stage, but once its all welded up, all the rust and casting slag will be removed and she will be, spit and polish from stem to stern. I was a bit taken aback myself, but have no fear, at this stage she looks like scrap metal welded together, but rest assured that each of those welds will be tested, tried, and tested some more. This gal will be a "battleship", and it will all look, "like its sposed to". Actually the engineering in this girl is certainly the equall of any fighter aircraft, she is lovingly designed and executed by master shiprights, she will be up to the task, and she will be "ready to fight" in short order.
 

delft

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No it doesn't look like much at this stage, but once its all welded up, all the rust and casting slag will be removed and she will be, spit and polish from stem to stern. I was a bit taken aback myself, but have no fear, at this stage she looks like scrap metal welded together, but rest assured that each of those welds will be tested, tried, and tested some more. This gal will be a "battleship", and it will all look, "like its sposed to". Actually the engineering in this girl is certainly the equall of any fighter aircraft, she is lovingly designed and executed by master shiprights, she will be up to the task, and she will be "ready to fight" in short order.
Of course you mean welding slag. ;)
 

Kurt

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That's something I wondered about, are there any serious attempts to cast such large ships other than some concrete floating barges and
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Jeff Head

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what are those white containers, are they cabins for the workers, weard looking, why so rusty and well kind of old looking? or maybe its the angle
Those are simply office spaces for the various work leaders/foreman/supervisors where drawings/schematics/schedules,/etc. are reviewe, discussed, and those schedules posted. Where they mark up official schematics as built and then send them back to the CAD folks to update...or maybe they do some field updates right there.

The workers live off the premises.

The very stern and bow upper sections need to be added, but she is finished above the water line there too, for the length of the ship now. They have built her all the way up to the main landing deck for over 50% of the vessel and are just a deck or two below that for the rest...outside of the finalbow and stern.

All of the sponson work and the island still have to be added.
 

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MiG 29K Jets Make First Landing on Indian Carrier

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Franklin

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How dose China eye on India’s Vikramaditya aircraft carrier

The INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier (former Admiral Gorshkov), which Russia refurbished for India, left its berth at the Sevmash shipyard in Russia’s northern city of Severodvinsk and sailed into the White Sea to undergo trials on June 8.

Russian and Indian crews will board the carrier for the sea trials, however Indian sailors will only act as observers.

The Vikramaditya is a modified Kiev-class aircraft carrier which was formally called the “Admiral Gorshkov”. The Admiral Gorshkov entered service in 1987 and was sent for repairs in February 1992. However, due mainly to a funding crisis, the Russian navy decided to withdraw it from service.

At the same time, the Indian navy was considering buying a large out-of-service carrier.

Subsequently, in 2004, Russia and India signed a deal for the refurbishment of the Admiral Gorshkov. The carrier itself was free, however India had to get it refitted at the Sevmash shipyard at a cost of US$750 million and buy Russian-made MiG-29K fighters as its carrier drones. The delivery time was originally set for 2008, but due principally to underestimated workload and the shipyard’s lack of experience in building and refurbishing aircraft carrier, the delivery time was continually postponed, with costs jumping to more than US$2.3 billion.

According to the requirements of the Indian navy, Russia completely refitted the Admiral Gorshkov. The improvement involved stripping all of the armaments and radar from the foredeck and greatly enlarging the surface of the flight deck. The foredeck was also turned into a ski-jump.

The refitted Vikramaditya will be better equipped than India’s current serving carrier. MiG-29K fighters are superior to the old British Sea Harrier fighters, and the carrier’s comprehensive fighting force can compare with that of the nuclear-powered French aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle.

India is currently engaging in building up its naval force. It is now in the process of constructing an Air Defense Ship, which is actually an aircraft carrier, as well as three missile-guided destroyers, and three invisible missile frigates. In addition, it has ordered a number of missile frigates from Russia. If all these plans are carried out successfully, India will not only consolidate its dominant position in the Indian Ocean, it will also have one of the world’s top five most powerful navies.

The former Soviet Union had the world’s second largest navy during the Cold War. However, since the crumbling of the USSR, the Russian navy has been forced to decommission many of its ships due to a lack of funds and broken industrial chain. Russia’s naval power cannot really compare with that of the former USSR during the Cold War. Economic woes have prevented Russia from undertaking large-scale shipbuilding to replace those decommissioned ships.

Not far from the North Shipyard where the carrier Vikramaditya is being refitted, Russia is building a new generation of naval vessel called the Admiral Gorshkov, which is the former name of Vikramaditya.

Ironically, the “Admiral Gorshkov”, once used as the name of a 40,000 ton carrier, is now a large frigate with a displacement of only 5,000 tons. The new “Admiral Gorshkov” is a symbol of the state of the Russian navy: It has ambitions to restore its former glory, but lacks the ability to put such ambitions into practice.

Russia discarded its plan to repair the large Kirov-class battle cruiser, and instead built a batch of 2,000-ton light frigates and 5,000-ton medium-sized surface ships in order to strengthen its coastal defenses.

But it could not even implement this downscaled plan. The Russian navy has to use 600-ton large missile boats and tiny frigates in order to keep up appearances during its annual large-scale military drill.

We can predict that Russia will be unable to strengthen its naval force in the short term. Most of its ships will go out of service in 10 years, and without new ships to take their place, the Russian navy will inevitably become a near-sea fleet.

While the Russian navy is in decline, both China and India have built up their navies after learning from Russia’s heritage and buying large surface ships from Russia and building their naval fleets around those carriers.

However, India and China’s paths have been different. After purchasing the Gorshkov from Russia, India chose to get it repaired in Russia because it lacked the capacity and technology to undertake such a difficult project.

India has spent billions of US dollars upgrading the carrier Vikramaditya without improving its own shipbuilding abilities. Instead the upgrade improved the shipbuilding capabilities of the Russian shipyard. No wonder Russia plans to send its own carrier to the shipyard for upgrading after the upgrade of the Vikramaditya is completed.

China purchased the unfinished aircraft carrier Varyag from Ukraine at a price of US$20 million. Depending solely on its own industry and advanced ship building craft, China repaired and made improvements to the carrier. By doing so, China spent less money, accumulated experience in aircraft carrier remodeling and learned valuable lessons which will help it to construct its own carrier.

More importantly, China and India are not at the same industrial level. Over the past ten years, the Chinese navy has built 16 large missile frigates and at least 10 guided-missile destroyers, as well as advanced submarines. Most of the weapons have been designed and made by China. India has started to build 6 destroyers and 6 frigates over the past 10 years, but currently only one frigate has been put into service. And it seems that the Indian navy will rely on overseas purchases in order to maintain its fleet in the future.

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Bose

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navyreco,
Nice one.
But that has to be the touch and go performed earlier. The tail hook is still not down.
 

Air Force Brat

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Of course you mean welding slag. ;)

I absolutely do mean WELDING Slag, and if you read the rest of the sentence, that is quite clear when I talk about each of the welds being tested and tried. bd or Jeff could likely elaborate on the welding process and the exhaustive testing procedure for each weld. In fact the submarine is taken to "test depth" to see if she will deform or leak, while you can't do that with the carrier, rest assured the welds will be tested in the yard and continueing in the "shake-down" cruises. Actually the carrier is a vast jig saw puzzle, and the fitting/alignment/welding of the pieces together is a monumental undertaking, likely among the most difficult engineering feats on the planet. Guys?
 

delft

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That's something I wondered about, are there any serious attempts to cast such large ships other than some concrete floating barges and
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In a propaganda booklet by Illustrated London News & Sketch Ltd called "De oolog in beeld Augustus 1918", with additional information - "The War Pictorial ( Hollandsche Uitgave )", you'll find on pp 30 and 31 eight photographs of sea going cargo vessels built from reinforced concrete. I'm just looking at them. I remember reading a book about ships built from concrete and ferro-cement, some forty years ago, that said such vessels were also built during WWII.
Btw the "Hollandsche Uitgave" had the texts in Dutch and French.
 

Air Force Brat

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In a propaganda booklet by Illustrated London News & Sketch Ltd called "De oolog in beeld Augustus 1918", with additional information - "The War Pictorial ( Hollandsche Uitgave )", you'll find on pp 30 and 31 eight photographs of sea going cargo vessels built from reinforced concrete. I'm just looking at them. I remember reading a book about ships built from concrete and ferro-cement, some forty years ago, that said such vessels were also built during WWII.
Btw the "Hollandsche Uitgave" had the texts in Dutch and French.

I believe my father in law, LD, I don't think he's related to BD, but who knows? had talked about fuel barges cast from concrete?
 
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