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Jeff Head

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Air Force Brat said:
I was being my normal obnoxious self, I enjoy the freedom to do that on Sino D, those boys over on Defense talk are more sensitive than long tailed cats in a room full of rocking chairs, they love the thunderhogg and hate the raptor. I really don't care for tailess aircraft, the B-2 notwithstanding, as it's a rather glorious thing. I saw one in flight one evening at about 20k just North of STLLambert, wierd, looked like the bat plane, I have seen it at the Scott AFB, Airpower on the Prairie, in a flyby, it is gorgeous, those artists renditions of the Navy proposals are gorgeous, and they would likely make a decent, stealthy striker or missle launcher. I just don't see that being a raptor contender though, the reason the AF stays with a fairly conventional platform is performance, as beautiful as the YF-23 was and is, its just not the supermanueverable platform that raptor is. Love all your ideas guys, and we all have our favorites, I love the hawker sea-fury, I think that five blade contra rotating prop is the dogs bollocks. Kind of like a grumman bearcat with an attitude, but the grumman F7F Tigercat was also gorgeous.

Sorry Jeff, you know i love all the Head family and all their favorite airplane projects, the A12 like Boeings FX-32 kind of retro 50s styleis a little different. The F-14 was rather out of the Navy character as was the Hornet, both good airplanes, and the Hornet is a very manueverable capable airplane in the fighter rule, the SHornet the same!
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No porb.

The A-12 was meant to be a bomb truck...and I believe it would have been a good one.

As to the next fighter? It needs to be low observable, it needs to have legs, it needs to carry a ALRAAM (with a range equal to or more than the AIM-54) and it needs to be manueverable and able to tangle with the enemy at close range with IR missiles and guns if necessary.

A navalized F-22 could fit that bill, a navalized and updated F-23 could do so, or some new design. I just know those are the things we need and hope they will build something that meets them all and not comrpomise away any of them for poltics or cost...what they are defending is more than worth it.

God's speed my FRiend!
 
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Air Force Brat

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Jeff Head said:
No porb.

The A-12 was meant to be a bomb truck...and I believe it would have been a good one.

As to the next fighter? It needs to be low observable, it needs to have legs, it needs to carry a ALRAAM (with a range equal to or more than the AIM-54) and it needs to be manueverable and able to tangle with the enemy at close range with IR missiles and guns if necessary.

A navalized F-22 could fit that bill, a navalized and updated F-23 could do so, or some new design. I just know those are the things we need and hope they will build something that meets them all and not comrpomise away any of them for poltics or cost...what they are dwefending is more than worth it.

God's speed my FRiend!
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Thanks Jeff, I'm sure you're right, its always a pleasure, I would have loved to have been with you on your West Coast adventure, wedding and all. The picture of our Naval vessels, brings back some good memories of my own childhood. On Okinawa, we went to the Navy theater to watch movies, all the navy guys would be there, my first matinee was a black and white batman flick, and my first movie the Swiss Family Robinson, I loved the ships, almost as much as the airplanes, and I loved the stench of the harbor. I can almost smell it now. It would be nice to have a little get together, I think we probly have more posters from the West coast?
 
kwaigonegin

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Jeff Head said:
Her's what the A-12, the Avenger II, from the late 80s and early to mid 90s was going to look like before it was canceled.

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I think much of the work put into the A-12 project ended with the X-32 which came to fruition not that many years later. I can certainly see some resemblance although the X-32 had to compromise a lot since the technologies to fully developed what the artist wanted doesn;t exist or mature yet. Instead we got a plane that looked like a cross between a beluga and a bat.
In all seriousness though it is actually a tad better airplane the X-35. just God awful ugly is all!
 
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bd popeye said:
Obi Wan, the pic below looks like it's been retouched ie photoshopped. And that appears to be on the USS Lexington (CV 16). Problem is some of the bow is missing!..the bridle catchers..

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To the best of my knowledge, the photo is genuine. The Mk 2 Buccaneers were sent over to the US in 66 for trials at both Pax River and on the Lex. The bridle catchers are I believe just out of sight because of the angle the photo was taken (by someone stood on the island). I think the Bucc would have been a valuable addition to the USN and would have had a long and successful career with the upgrades the RAF never gave it. The US did after all pay some of the original development costs in the late fifties...
 
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I'm very happy with this name. Very traditional. I'd like to see the name USS Fallujah on the next LHA.

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WASHINGTON (May 4, 2012) An artist rendering of the amphibious assault ship USS Tripoli (LHA 7). (U.S. Navy photo illustration/Released)
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WASHINGTON (NNS) -- Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus announced May 4 the selection of USS Tripoli as the name for the Navy's next large-deck amphibious assault ship (LHA 7).

The USS Tripoli will be the third ship to bear the name Tripoli. The name commemorates the capture of Derna in 1805 by a small force of U.S. Marines and approximately 370 soldiers from 11 other nationalities. The battle, later memorialized in the Marines' Hymn with the line "to the shores of Tripoli", brought about a successful conclusion to the combined operations of the First Barbary War. The first USS Tripoli, an escort carrier, fought in the battle of the Atlantic during World War II. The second, an amphibious assault ship, earned nine battle stars, a Meritorious Unit Commendation, and a Navy Unit Commendation for service in Vietnam.

"USS Tripoli and the proud heritage the name represents will be an inspiration for generations of sailors and Marines who serve aboard and those who come in contact with her, reminding all the freedoms our Navy protects are as vital today as they were centuries ago," Mabus said.

Like the future USS America (LHA 6), LHA 7 has an increased aviation capacity to include an enlarged hangar deck, realignment and expansion of the aviation maintenance facilities, a significant increase in available stowage for parts and support equipment, and increased aviation fuel capacity.

The LHA 7 will use the same gas turbine propulsion plant, zonal electrical distribution and electric auxiliary systems designed and built for the USS Makin Island, replacing the maintenance intensive steam plants of earlier ships. This unique auxiliary propulsion system is designed for fuel efficiency.

The LHA 7 will provide a flexible, multi-mission platform with capabilities that span the range of military operations -- from forward deployed crisis response to forcible entry operations. The ship also will provide forward presence and power projection as an integral part of joint, interagency and multinational maritime expeditionary forces. The ship will operate for sustained periods in transit to and operations in an amphibious objective area to include: embarking, transporting, controlling, inserting, sustaining and extracting elements of a marine air-ground task force, and supporting forces by helicopters and tilt rotors supported by Joint Strike Fighters F-35B.
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bd popeye said:
I'm very happy with this name. Very traditional. I'd like to see the name USS Fallujah on the next LHA.
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Yes, the Tripoli is a great name and no politics. Another, in addition to Fallujah would be the USS Kandahar, or USS Marjah.

As it is, LHA-6, USS America is getting close. She'll be launched soon.

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Jeff sez..

Yes, the Tripoli is a great name and no politics. Another, in addition to Fallujah would be the USS Kandahar, or USS Marjah.
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I hear you Jeff.. And perhaps a name from the Vietnam War should be chosen.. such as Da Nang.

USS PELELIU was initially named DA NANG. But her name was changed during construction for political reasons.edit..

edit...I'd like to see the next two Ford class CVN's named thusly

USS Enterprise CVN-80

USS Coral Sea CVN-81
 
Jeff Head

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bd popeye said:
Jeff sez..



I hear you Jeff.. And perhaps a name from the Vietnam War should be chosen.. such as Da Nang.

USS PELELIU was initially named DA NANG. But her name was changed during construction for political reasons.edit..

edit...I'd like to see the next two Ford class CVN's named thusly

USS Enterprise CVN-80

USS Coral Sea CVN-81
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Amen to every bit of that!

Time to get back to names that are honored in the richest traditions of the Navy and the honor and sacrifice associated with the ensuing conflicts to preserve liberty and our constitutional Republic.

I do not mind a MOH reipient or something like that...but garden variety pols, even if President, who never served, or if they did were not distinguished in that service, should not be named.
 
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